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Mike S said:
Yes, I’ve been saying that. Does anything else that’s not Zelda or Pokémon not count or something? Make the area in Site B bigger with some of the smaller franchises but still focused on Mario.

If KFP is taking KidZone now, lol. The only DreamWorks IP that can support a land all to itself is Shrek imo. Everything else is better served as a catch all Fantasyland type area.
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The smaller franchises don't really need representation, other than Splatoon. They aren't big enough IP's.
 
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Dragons easily supports a land.
 
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I'd imagine Uni sees value in having Dreamworks (and other IPs they own) in this park beyond their "relevance" and marketability. I'm sure that's a factor, but they can also boost the profile of these properties simply by having them in the park. I don't know if Shrek is an evergreen character, but building a place where families can ride fun rides and build positive associations with the brand would certainly help.

I think we could be moving into an era where IPs become more decentralized. Nothing currently matches the global reach and popularity of movies, but I'm not sure they'll always define the connections people have to various fictional worlds and characters. For example, I'd love to see the Wizarding World presence in this park focus on some new location/story/era that was unique to this park. I don't think that's likely, but it would excite me more than a Fantastic Beasts land. To me, the success of those movies proves that there's still love for that world, not that anyone finds Newt's friends and adventures all that engaging.
 
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Okay this idea is growing on me but the park doesn't only cater to US guest we need holidays from around the world like:
Sinterklaas:
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Kanamara Matsuri:
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Gay Pride:
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El Día de los Muertos:
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And the always fun Fiestas de San Fermín:
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These alone could be a fun parade.
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Imperius said:
Dragons easily supports a land.
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Agreed. A beautiful one, too. Just because Dreamworks =/= Disney doesn't mean it doesn't have multiple strong IPs that can support a land. I know next to nothing about Trolls, but our nieces and nephew love it, and I'd assume it has a bright, colorful world that would look great in a theme park? HTTYD has a gorgeous fantasy world. Those are just two. I think either would fit well in either the current parks or in the new gate.

We're huge fans of LoZ (Zelda), and we'd love to see it in a park--being in Hyrule would be amazing. I'd spend hundreds to stay in a hotel in that castle, no joke ($3000 or more per hotel stay would not be out of the question for us for that sort of experience). But I can see them spreading their Nintendo license throughout all three parks, to get the most out of it. Just speaking for my husband and I, if all of Nintendo (Mario, Pokemon, LoZ, other smaller franchises) was in one park/resort, we'd spend the majority of our time there. Multiple days, no question. We wouldn't park-hop to the northern parks--we would likely make them a 2 day thing, so our focus could be on UOSouth. And no, I'm not kidding with that. Nintendo is for us what HP is for its fanbase. We're not in a vacuum, either. They aren't going to divide any of the Mario-heavy franchises between parks--you'll see Mario with DK, and Peach, and Yoshi (Kirby actually belongs to HAL, so it's more like a 2nd-party title, though it's easy to consider it an honorary 1st party; HAL and Nintendo go WAY back and that sort of legacy and loyalty is huge in Japanese companies) all together in the same area, because it fits. Pokemon is more modern. It could easily go into Studios and do really well there. LoZ, as much as we love it (I'd show you my jewelry and our wedding rings, but that'd just be silly), could be a harder sell, even in IoA (where it would fit best, I feel, of the two current resorts, if it wouldn't be coming to the new gate). It almost needs to be tied into the Nintendo name to get the crowds it (rightly) deserves, so it makes sense to do it at the new gate, possibly as an expansion. I can see Nintendo going into one of the original parks as well as the new gate, not necessarily in all three parks. Then there's enough of a spread to get people to spend time and money in both resorts, not just the new one. Even with the land they've bought, there's just not going to be enough room to fit every new IP into the new gate--and there's no need to.

One thing I want to float out there (blue-sky being what it is)--we could maybe think outside of the box a bit and not just focus on the worlds of the IPs. Universal Creative will be working with Dreamworks. They will be working with Nintendo. That's a ton of creative talent that's never really had a chance to work in this medium of theme parks--and they have to have ideas to spare. While we'll see established IPs anchoring lands/worlds, what's to stop UC from working with Nintendo and/or DW to make an entirely new area that their current ideas could then slot in to in the form of lands/pods? How about a currently unheard of world-hub, built solely for this gate and only this gate, inspired by Dreamworks/Nintendo/whatever, that they could then fit their current worlds in. I have no idea what that main world would then look like, but the lands that are built off of it would be Mario, or Dragons, or Trolls, or Pokemon, or whatever. Give DW and Nintendo, through Universal Creative, the chance to truly create their own corner of the park, so that even if it doesn't look like a current IP (though it will have to be inspired by it, to not lose the message), it looks very much like something created by Dreamworks, or by Nintendo, which then leads to their IPs--if any of that makes sense? Again, blue-sky, but I'd love to see what DW would say a theme park world should look like, or what Nintendo's idea of a theme park looks like.
 
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When Universal bought DreamWorks, the blue-sky team at UC was tasked with drawing up pitches for mini-lands based off the acquired IPs. One of the ones they worked up was a Holiday Land using Rudolph, Frosty, and The Grinch (the pitch was for Lost Continent).

That is the last I have heard of it.
 
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Disneyhead said:
When Universal bought DreamWorks, the blue-sky team at UC was tasked with drawing up pitches for mini-lands based off the acquired IPs. One of the ones they worked up was a Holiday Land using Rudolph, Frosty, and The Grinch (the pitch was for Lost Continent).

That is the last I have heard of it.
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Tbh, it would fit better in LC. Snow-capped areas fit with Hogmeade's theming, and The Grinch fits with Seuss Landing. It'd also be better in that spot than Zelda would have been.
 
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Apologies for the crude work on paint:
So thought I'd quickly give a potential new resort lay out a go. Taken some inspiration from others who have posted before me and a bit of creative freedom, i'll try explain my thought process behind it.

Resort as a whole:
I think what we will start out with will be one park, two hotels, two parking garages, a city walk 2.0 (with shops, restaurants and bars/clubs), a river taxi and a better laid out transport hub. The north end of the resort will mostly be backstage, service roads and an employee garage. The idea behind the river taxi was that it could extend all the way out towards the east end of destination park way and have access to more satellite/value resorts.

Fantastic Worlds:
I've gone for a star shaped (thinking more Mario stars behind this one) hub with what others have suggested an observatory in the middle with a nightly firework/projection show. I've purposely left space for expansions behind the worlds because that is one of the biggest drawbacks for the Universal at the other site, not having enough space! The path ways in between the worlds world all be curved/obscured to keep the worlds feeling separate to each other. (also the parts separating the worlds could have shows, (waterworld, interactive computer animation,) games and generic themed restaurants and shops.
The worlds themselves would incorporate mini worlds.
Worlds
Nintendo:

Mario, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, Pokemon.
Holiday World:
Grinch, Rudolph, Frosty (would like classic monsters here too but imagine this would be more kid friendly)
Fantastic Beasts:
Paris + New York (thrill rides)
Dreamworks:
How to train your dragon, Secret Life of Pets/Sing, Shrek, Trolls

Cant see there being anything more than that at park opening I'd love more original rides and content outside of the worlds but I can't see universal taking the risk on that one. (I expect a fast and furious coaster down the line too)


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If all of Nintendo ends up in Site B Universal is practically begging the people excited by it to just stay there and skip the other parks imo. Plenty of people out there that didn’t care much until that announcement was made.
 
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Yes and no. They are turning into a week vacation with this new park. I would guess there is a decent cross over between Pokémon/Nintendo/ Potter fans so they might buy tickets to the new park l, but they are going to all. Just like people will go to Disney for the first time once Star Wars opens up. They will go to all the parks, not just DHs because they are there.
 
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So what about Star Trek?
 
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Mike S said:
If all of Nintendo ends up in Site B Universal is practically begging the people excited by it to just stay there and skip the other parks imo. Plenty of people out there that didn’t care much until that announcement was made.
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Not so much. If I was Universal, here's how I'd do it:
  • Mario in Site B
  • Zelda in Site B
  • Pokemon in Toon Lagoon, completing a complete overhaul of the back-half of IOA
  • Splatoon in Site B
  • Metroid in Studios, placed near MiB (or replacing it)
  • Kirby in Site B
 
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So what about Star Trek?
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It looks like that's a no-go. At any of the parks.
 
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My blue sky thoughts-
I will do these in segments as to not bog down posts. These are my dream concepts and what I believe to make great sense. Without further delay I will start with one we all believe to know is certainty.

Super Nintendo World- Mario
23 acres used (w/ additional 4 acre expansion plot) total 27 acres


Central Hub- 3+ acres
Shops and dinining with 3 pathways branching off.
At its center we see a Mario Hub World similar to the worlds of Mario Galaxy. This is not a small icon/structure by any means. In fact it takes up the vast majority of the Hub and requires you to journey around(or over) it to find all the pathways. It is surrounded by much much smaller buildings(mushroom huts, tropical shacks, cityscapes, etc.)

In the main build we will have multiple shops, a massive arcade(classic and new games featured), a history of walk through museum, meet and greets, and clues to the lands we can explore. There will also be pathways for walking over, around, on top of the structure with hidden view points you can find overlooking then 3 lands. Around the galaxy Hub we find our 3 pathways: a set of massive green pipes(Mushroom Kingdom), tropical palm trees laced with wooden bridges and bananas(Donkey Kong Country), and a waterfall falling lightly into a stream with a walk path over resembling fun stones(Yoshis Island).

Yes you heard it right this is a massive land dedicated to the one, the only, Italian plumber and those associated. This allows a truly fleshed out Nintendo Land with Mario. This will be the crown jewel of all Nintendo lands worldwide and will showcase the talent of UC and Nintendo. Also with doing the 3 distinct lands around the hub it keeps the world theming. So no I don’t see, expect or even want Zelda or Pokémon joining here. Now don’t get me wrong I believe they will make welcome additions in Orlando but not here. I’m on the side of spacing is key. That and Mario is the central key of Nintendo he is the icon and out of all properties he deserves the most room to show his world, which lets be honest he also has the library of lands to showcase.

For the lands attractions...

Yoshis Island- 4 acres

Yoshi omnimoover dark ride showcase all the wonders of the island- from the sea, to the caves, the snow covered mountain tops and all in between.

Yoshi runners flat ride where guest run around on Yoshis avoiding each other. Think Minions Freeze Ray Gliders.

Yoshi splash pad and play area.


Donkey Kong Country- 6 acres
Donkey Kong’s Runaway Mine Cart- you know the concept. Boom patent family coaster. Should be glorious.

Tropical Freeze Flume Ride- normal trek in a hollowed out palm w/ our guide Diddy Kong when all of a sudden there’s a great freeze and our craft begins sliding out of control. Diddy Kong does what he can to keep us safe until the ice melts and all is normal but that’s before a plunge of 85’ down the mountain side.

Exploration trails abound in this land, as well as fun in DK tree hut.


Mushroom Kingdom- 10 acres

MarioKart, we know the concept but with an additional 2 scenes to be the superior Mario kart attraction.

Luigi’s Mansion, an advance trackless shooter dark ride. Think MIB meets Mystic Manor with new tech, um yes please. *Note I want this so bad Luigi is actually my favorite Nintendo character of all time, he deserves a spotlight.

Odyssey of Mario, we explore various lands through a flight on the chappie looking hub ship w/ Mario. Think a flying dark ride on crack, Peter Pan meets Spider-Man. Tame and yet thrilling. Fights with bowsers airship, various world, crash landings, friends along the way, etc.

Bullet Bill Spinner, flat ride.

Peach’s Castle walk through.

Mushroom Facade.

The works!




So their you have world 1 of 4. The flagship. Hope you enjoyed.

Next up Worlds of Dreamworks.....
 
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My blue sky thoughts-
I will do these in segments as to not bog down posts. These are my dream concepts and what I believe to make great sense. Without further delay I will start with one we all believe to know is certainty.

Super Nintendo World- Mario
23 acres used (w/ additional 4 acre expansion plot) total 27 acres


Central Hub- 3+ acres
Shops and dinining with 3 pathways branching off.
At its center we see a Mario Hub World similar to the worlds of Mario Galaxy. This is not a small icon/structure by any means. In fact it takes up the vast majority of the Hub and requires you to journey around(or over) it to find all the pathways. It is surrounded by much much small buildings(mushroom huts, tropical shacks, etc.)

In the main build we will have multiple shops, a massive arcade(classic and new games featured), a history of walk through museum, meet and greets, and clues to the lands we can explore. There will also be pathways for walking over, around, on top of the structure with hidden view points you can find overlooking then 3 lands. Around the galaxy Hub we find our 3 pathways: a set of massive green pipes(Mushroom Kingdom), tropical palm trees laced with wooden bridges and bananas(Donkey Kong Country), and a waterfall falling lightly into a stream with a walk path over resembling fun stones(Yoshis Island).

Yes you heard it right this is a massive land dedicated to the one, the only, Italian plumber and those associated. This allows a truly fleshed out Nintendo Land with Mario. This will be the crown jewel of all Nintendo lands worldwide and will showcase the talent of UC and Nintendo. Also with doing the 3 distinct lands around the hub it keeps the world theming. So no I don’t see, expect or even want Zelda or Pokémon joining here. Now don’t get me wrong I believe they will make welcome additions in Orlando but not here. I’m on the side of spacing is key. That and Mario is the central key of Nintendo he is the icon and out of all properties he deserves the most room to show his world, which lets be honest he also has the library of lands to showcase.

For the lands attractions...

Yoshis Island- 4 acres

Yoshi omnimoover dark ride showcase all the wonders of the island- from the sea, to the caves, the snow covered mountain tops and all in between.

Yoshi runners flat ride where guest run around on Yoshis avoiding each other. Think Minions Freeze Ray Gliders.

Yoshi splash pad and play area.


Donkey Kong Country- 6 acres
Donkey Kong’s Runaway Mine Cart- you know the concept. Boom patent family coaster. Should be glorious.

Tropical Freeze Flume Ride- normal trek in a hollowed out palm w/ our guide Diddy Kong when all of a sudden there’s a great freeze and our craft begins sliding out of control. Diddy Kong does what he can to keep us safe until the ice melts and all is normal but that’s before a plunge of 85’ down the mountain side.

Exploration trails abound in this land, as well as fun in DK tree hut.


Mushroom Kingdom- 10 acres

MarioKart, we know the concept but with an additional 2 scenes to be the superior Mario kart attraction.

Luigi’s Mansion, an advance trackless shooter dark ride. Think MIB meets Mystic Manor with new tech, um yes please. *Note I want this so bad Luigi is actually my favorite Nintendo character of all time, he deserves a spotlight.

Odyssey of Mario, we explore various lands through a flight on the chappie looking hub ship w/ Mario. Think a flying dark ride on crack, Peter Pan meets Spider-Man. Tame and yet thrilling. Fights with bowsers airship, various world, crash landings, friends along the way, etc.

Bullet Bill Spinner, flat ride.

Peach’s Castle walk through.

Mushroom Facade.

The works!




So their you have world 1 of 4. The flagship. Hope you enjoyed.

Next up Worlds of Dreamworks.....
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I love it! .....too bad Universal would never do that :(
 
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Hmmmm with all the talk of a star trek land at the 4th gate your ruling it out already just like LOTR. I think Uni passing on LOTR would be huge IMO. Theirs so many mythical creatures they can come up with. Smaug, The balrog,orcs, hobbits why not create middle earth?
 
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Better business sense to put at least one of the Nintendo properties in USF or IOA.
 
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Hmmmm with all the talk of a star trek land at the 4th gate your ruling it out already just like LOTR. I think Uni passing on LOTR would be huge IMO. Theirs so many mythical creatures they can come up with. Smaug, The balrog,orcs, hobbits why not create middle earth?
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It’s not passing up. It’s not like they were offered LOTR and said no. They probably talked to them and it didn’t make fiscal sense or really maybe didn’t even make it that far.
 
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Better business sense to put at least one of the Nintendo properties in USF or IOA.
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Both should get one of Nintendo’s big IPs. USF especially needs a home run. So much disappointment recently.
 
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I was gaga over the LOTR films when they came out but I can see Universal being fine without the franchise after a bit of reflection.
 
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