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Wicked experiences coming to USH

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This is one of those times where I am hoping and praying that they fast-track Wicked for USH. They have something genuinely special; and I want it expanded and fleshed out to be something big.
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I would love for you to be right

But my gut is just telling me with how "safe" the current leadership is that it wont happen....they are not building more at USH right now because of the money going into Epic....along with the HHN in Vegas and Texas...along with the hotel

Which..this is why I'm against the hotel because its for sure taking money and resources from getting more attraction in USH in the next 5 years

After that? who knows they might give us some amazing E tickets but....thats all what if's.

But yeah, if they didn't want to strike when the Iron was hot after SNW killed it for 18 months..I just lack the faith they will do much now

I could see them rethemeing a street or restaurant and maybe adding something to the tram but besides that....I just feel like Wicked is soooo far away from USH in a major way...if ever because by the time they get to it they may want to focus on another IP.

I miss the old theme parks that were bold and started to build rides like Jurassic and the castle at Disneyland before the movies were out. Also USH doesn't even have a meet and greet, which really is not much of a cost.....while Disneyland updated the Deadpool show we are here at USH being like are we getting anything new in the next 12 months?
(I know its easy to crap on Disney but....we got 3 new shows this holiday season plus the new Santa area with new shows and meet and greets...I wish USH would invest more in Grinchmas but they have not in years)
 
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They are selling Wicked merch directly in front of Universal Cinema.
 
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So no photo op for this film then?

Was hoping we’d get something cooler then what was in park

Like Wild Robot Promo photo was insanely cool
 
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Didn't someone mention that they'd already worked out a Wicked concept for IOA back in the day? Sure, they'd have to incorporate the film aesthetics, but I doubt they'd be starting from scratch with a hypothetical Wicked land.
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There were rumblings (not sure how substantiated they were) about the abridged version of the musical, similar to what they did in Japan, coming to the Toon Lagoon amphitheater, with the surrounding midway games given light Oz theming.

As for the photo op outside the theater... that's on Universal Pictures, not the park's management. Those photo ops are paid for by the marketing department. You got the actual costumes inside the theater proper -- the exhibit in Orlando, as I understand it, got replicas.

For all the complaining about a lack of new attractions at the Hollywood park... are we forgetting the giant rollercoaster currently being built...?
 
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There were rumblings (not sure how substantiated they were) about the abridged version of the musical, similar to what they did in Japan, coming to the Toon Lagoon amphitheater, with the surrounding midway games given light Oz theming.

As for the photo op outside the theater... that's on Universal Pictures, not the park's management. Those photo ops are paid for by the marketing department. You got the actual costumes inside the theater proper -- the exhibit in Orlando, as I understand it, got replicas.

For all the complaining about a lack of new attractions at the Hollywood park... are we forgetting the giant rollercoaster currently being built...?
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One coaster 3 years after SNW

I know it will be a great coaster but to me compared to the E tickets epic is getting, it’s really not even something you can compare

You want a coaster go down the street to six flags they have like 20 plus coasters

The point is USH is 4 if not 5 years away from another E ticket because they are investing in the hotel and other resorts. Which great for those resorts but USH fans don’t even get a wicked meet and greet, haven’t gotten the new castle projection show and Grinchmas will be the same event as last year

The fact is that the management cleanly wasn’t impressed by the SNW numbers because other wise we’d have rumors of next year some big projects starting if we were getting something new before 2028 but looks like another gap between big attractions

Anyway, USH is my local park i'm close to to and do love it but wish we got more new....like Dreamworks theater being used for Bad Guys or Shrek next year to fill the gap year....or redoing a street for Wicked meet and greets/street show/a restaurant. But yeah its also sucks seeing Epic being this next gen park and having to wait 4+ years until we see any of that because F&F is another coaster and unless they surprise us will have little theming.
(also so people know Disney added 3 new hoilday shows this year and a new Santa area....I would loveeeee Grinchmas to evolve more but we still don't even have as many shows as we did pre pandemic)
 
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I know I’m beating a dead horse here, but this maximalist, expansionist view of Universal Studios Hollywood seems like a deeply unfun way to engage with one of the most unique theme parks on the planet.

I understand wanting new stuff to come to our favorite theme parks, but I think we risk losing appreciating why they’re already places we love to spend our time and money.
 
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I know I’m being a dead horse here, but this maximalist, expansionist view of Universal Studios Hollywood seems like a deeply unfun way to engage with one of the most unique theme parks on the planet.

I understand wanting new stuff to come to our favorite theme parks, but I think we risk appreciating why they’re already places we love to spend our time and money.
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I mean I have very much lowered my expectations

I know Universal won't get bigger until 2030 but that's not excuse for not changing up things in the Dreamworks theaters, not adding more to grinchmas, not having the new castle show added to the parks, can we get lunar New years back?

It's just frustrating when USH and Japan grew while other parks struggled to get numbers up at other Universal parks....I would just like more investment into the park and everyone online complains about Disney but....they have things planned for Disneyland and they got 3 new shows this year and the santa area....and guess what the place is packed.

Investing in USH will keep profits up but they clearly want to spend just nothing at USH compared to what the park deserves they did something most businesses wanted which is grow after the pandemic....for 18 months USH killed it after SNW opened and the guests and fans get......one coaster 3 years after the last ride and then most likely 2 years of waiting for maybe another E ticket.

Its fine to be happy with what we have its amazing it makes as much as it does for mainly having cloned rides and lands that are normally kinda lesser then what is offered at other Universal Parks. but we all know USH could get more investment into entertainment and using what land we do have better.
 
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I mean I have very much lowered my expectations

I know Universal won't get bigger until 2030 but that's not excuse for not changing up things in the Dreamworks theaters, not adding more to grinchmas, not having the new castle show added to the parks, can we get lunar New years back?

It's just frustrating when USH and Japan grew while other parks struggled to get numbers up at other Universal parks....I would just like more investment into the park and everyone online complains about Disney but....they have things planned for Disneyland and they got 3 new shows this year and the santa area....and guess what the place is packed.

Investing in USH will keep profits up but they clearly want to spend just nothing at USH compared to what the park deserves they did something most businesses wanted which is grow after the pandemic....for 18 months USH killed it after SNW opened and the guests and fans get......one coaster 3 years after the last ride and then most likely 2 years of waiting for maybe another E ticket.

Its fine to be happy with what we have its amazing it makes as much as it does for mainly having cloned rides and lands that are normally kinda lesser then what is offered at other Universal Parks. but we all know USH could get more investment into entertainment and using what land we do have better.
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Universal Studios Hollywood is not a locals park. It is a tourist park. You are treating it as a locals park, which it is not. Disneyland, which is a locals resort, is investing in its parks at about the same rate, give or take. (Yes, they made a bunch of splashy announcements, but they're many years away.)

Universal Studios Hollywood does run special events to appeal to locals -- Horror Nights, holidays, the 60th tram tour festivities, now FanFest, which is a USH exclusive! If you're expecting a new major attraction every year for this park, your expectations are just not realistic, sorry.
 
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Clive said:
For all the complaining about a lack of new attractions at the Hollywood park... are we forgetting the giant rollercoaster currently being built...?
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If you're expecting a new major attraction every year for this park, your expectations are just not realistic, sorry.
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Conflating the two and looking from a tourist perspective (as I only go once or twice a year), I think USH has an identity crisis that boils down from when Hogsmeade opened. And for when they were forced to make changes to adapt to quickly shifting times.

And that unfortunately while I do think Fast is a great call and SNW is a needed capacity boost for the park, middling decisions like the way they reduced the scale of Pets (and how the capacity is horrendous), and the distancing away from entertainment as a core element of proper daytime conditions sets back the park from shining as it should be.

I’m excited for Fast and I can’t wait to see what Universal and Intamin cooked up together with it, but I think it should’ve come sooner than later.

For the sake of Wicked, something to me clicks of the possibilities that Universal has in representing Oz, and I think that in of itself could be a major boon for Hollywood especially considering its proximity to the birthplace of Wizard of Ozs filming studio in Culver City. But I also acknowledge that even if they fast track it, it’s gonna take time and resources to figure out what is the best step for that.

And I’d rather they get it right, than rushing out the door hastily with their pants down.
 
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Universal Studios Hollywood is not a locals park. It is a tourist park. You are treating it as a locals park, which it is not. Disneyland, which is a locals resort, is investing in its parks at about the same rate, give or take. (Yes, they made a bunch of splashy announcements, but they're many years away.)

Universal Studios Hollywood does run special events to appeal to locals -- Horror Nights, holidays, the 60th tram tour festivities, now FanFest, which is a USH exclusive! If you're expecting a new major attraction every year for this park, your expectations are just not realistic, sorry.
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If you have stats to back that up please do

Without locals the park would mostly be dead, HHN would also be mostly empty and you could not do Fan fest because most people can't fly out for a One Piece meet and greet.

I don't need a new ride every year....literally said they could update dreamwork theater, I mean Dreamworks makes 2 films a year its not like they don't have things to put in that theater. I'm literally settling for a street take over for Wicked instead of a land and big E ticket...not because USH can't do it but the people in charge clearly don't want to

If USH struggled after SNW then I would get it but it did not it was on every earning report and then they took this hot park and.....added nothing new big for 3 years yeah I don't get it

Escially when I see the other parks, people in Orlando I think have nothing to be upset about besides getting Epic Universe which will be a next gen theme park like one of the best in the world out of the gate that resort got 3 new shows last summer....a parade, an amazing nighttime show and the new castle show which lets be real....no and I mean NO reason it was not here at USH as well

Anyway, the park is how it is because of how they use it....there is nothing but themselves in the way from making this park just amazing. Many rides like Transformers and mummy are ready to be replaced and if they just move the tram that alone makes room for 3 new lands and not at once but you start at the Tram loading area with a land and move on...not even affecting the studios for years to come.

I posted my smaller Idea for Wicked because if that doesn't happen...I don't see any other way it happening unless they go with Wicked over Pokemon for Simpsons land which would both be cool but also lose them a ton of money.....I mean honestly every day Pokemon is not in USH they are losing millions a year.....if people want to see what I'm talking about look at how much the Pokemon trading card game has made in less then a month
 
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If you have stats to back that up please do

Without locals the park would mostly be dead, HHN would also be mostly empty and you could not do Fan fest because most people can't fly out for a One Piece meet and greet.

I don't need a new ride every year....literally said they could update dreamwork theater, I mean Dreamworks makes 2 films a year its not like they don't have things to put in that theater. I'm literally settling for a street take over for Wicked instead of a land and big E ticket...not because USH can't do it but the people in charge clearly don't want to

If USH struggled after SNW then I would get it but it did not it was on every earning report and then they took this hot park and.....added nothing new big for 3 years yeah I don't get it

Escially when I see the other parks, people in Orlando I think have nothing to be upset about besides getting Epic Universe which will be a next gen theme park like one of the best in the world out of the gate that resort got 3 new shows last summer....a parade, an amazing nighttime show and the new castle show which lets be real....no and I mean NO reason it was not here at USH as well

Anyway, the park is how it is because of how they use it....there is nothing but themselves in the way from making this park just amazing. Many rides like Transformers and mummy are ready to be replaced and if they just move the tram that alone makes room for 3 new lands and not at once but you start at the Tram loading area with a land and move on...not even affecting the studios for years to come.

I posted my smaller Idea for Wicked because if that doesn't happen...I don't see any other way it happening unless they go with Wicked over Pokemon for Simpsons land which would both be cool but also lose them a ton of money.....I mean honestly every day Pokemon is not in USH they are losing millions a year.....if people want to see what I'm talking about look at how much the Pokemon trading card game has made in less then a month
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We've gone down this road before, man. This is the last time I'm going to do this.

If you have stats to back that up please do

Absolutely, let me just turn over the internal data that guides practically every decision that the park makes that totally isn't proprietary. Come on. There's a reason they're thinking about investing in a hotel. It's a single park. Their primary goal is to capture tourists who are in Los Angeles/California as part of a broader vacation. There are absolutely efforts to engage locals (like the ones I just talked about), but it's not the main aim.

I don't need a new ride every year....literally said they could update dreamwork theater, I mean Dreamworks makes 2 films a year its not like they don't have things to put in that theater. I'm literally settling for a street take over for Wicked instead of a land and big E ticket...not because USH can't do it but the people in charge clearly don't want to

Updating the Dreamworks Theater with a new ride film is literally a new attraction. The amount of money it would take to animate the new film, secure the talent, and reprogram the seats is consistent with the budget of a new attraction. Dreamworks making two new films each year isn't at all relevant. They're separate teams and expenditures. As for a street takeover... you mean the themed shop, retheme of a restaurant, and massive merch push Wicked is getting? What are you actually asking for? And don't put words in the mouth of the people in charge. I'm sure they would love to add new experiences left and right, but they live in reality where things cost money, time, and effort they don't necessarily have.

If USH struggled after SNW then I would get it but it did not it was on every earning report and then they took this hot park and.....added nothing new big for 3 years yeah I don't get it

This is where it really seems like you just don't understand the fundamentals of business and investment. If your park is already doing very well with no signs of slowing, you don't necessarily have to aggressively invest in it. Despite the success of Super Nintendo World, they are... still building a giant, world-class prototype coaster at considerable expense, which will open around the time when the general public will have cycled through Super Nintendo World as the new hot thing!

Escially when I see the other parks, people in Orlando I think have nothing to be upset about besides getting Epic Universe which will be a next gen theme park like one of the best in the world out of the gate that resort got 3 new shows last summer....a parade, an amazing nighttime show and the new castle show which lets be real....no and I mean NO reason it was not here at USH as well

Genuinely don't fully know what you're trying to say here. Grammatically, I can't follow it. From what I can understand, Orlando is a different market with different investment priorities and infrastructure. Universal Studios Hollywood can't support a parade or fireworks, and you know that, so I have no idea why you're bringing it up. I hear the argument on the castle show, but Orlando's show infrastructure underwent significant upgrades (that left them without a show at all for many months) that I don't believe Hollywood has yet to receive. It isn't always as simple and plugging and playing, which is something you'd understand if you'd ever worked in the upper management levels of a theme park or in theme park design and execution (I've done the latter).

Anyway, the park is how it is because of how they use it....there is nothing but themselves in the way from making this park just amazing. Many rides like Transformers and mummy are ready to be replaced and if they just move the tram that alone makes room for 3 new lands and not at once but you start at the Tram loading area with a land and move on...not even affecting the studios for years to come.

Universal Studios Hollywood is an excellent, world-class park. It has some weaknesses (currently, a lack of live entertainment), but it isn't not-great just because you go all the time and are bored with it. You've entered magical roller coaster tycoon thinking if you think they can plop three full-sized themed lands into an extremely landlocked park just by moving the tram tour loading area.

I posted my smaller Idea for Wicked because if that doesn't happen...I don't see any other way it happening unless they go with Wicked over Pokemon for Simpsons land which would both be cool but also lose them a ton of money.....I mean honestly every day Pokemon is not in USH they are losing millions a year.....if people want to see what I'm talking about look at how much the Pokemon trading card game has made in less then a month

They did stuff for Wicked! You make me feel like I'm going insane here! If the movies are sustained smash hits that continue to drive interest and sell merchandise beyond their initial release windows, you bet Universal will look at a more permanent attraction or experience, just like they've done with just about every adaptable theme park-friendly franchise ever. You just want instant gratification! And here we are again with the interminable "Universal Studios should just become a Nintendo park so they can make all the money and they're really stupid if they don't do that" rhetoric that needs to stop. It's not productive, it's not realistic, it's not happening. Enough.
 
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I don't need a new ride every year....literally said they could update dreamwork theater, I mean Dreamworks makes 2 films a year its not like they don't have things to put in that theater.
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I feel like you're vastly underestimating the work required for this. Animation is not cheap by any means, and creating a new film for Dreamworks Theater is a long and involved process.

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I'm literally settling for a street take over for Wicked instead of a land and big E ticket...not because USH can't do it but the people in charge clearly don't want to
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A half-hearted implementation of the Wicked IP into the work would not only be ineffective, but also could do more harm than good for the park.

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I posted my smaller Idea for Wicked because if that doesn't happen...I don't see any other way it happening unless they go with Wicked over Pokemon for Simpsons land which would both be cool but also lose them a ton of money.....I mean honestly every day Pokemon is not in USH they are losing millions a year.....if people want to see what I'm talking about look at how much the Pokemon trading card game has made in less then a month
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Theoretically, it would be awesome if we constantly got major expansions on a regular basis, but that expectation is just not based in reality. They've been working on the new coaster since Super Nintendo World opened, and while it would've been ideal for it to open next year, it's understandable that there's a lot of complexity in building a terrain coaster on the side of a hill.

Even though the park needs work, it's still one of the stronger theme parks in the United States. Even though it's a couple of years old now, the absolute draw of having Super Nintendo World in the park should not be understated. Hoping that the CA theme parks are going to be updated as frequently as their Florida counterparts just isn't realistic, but I feel that claiming that these parks are being outright neglected is disingenuous.
 
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I brought this up over on the movie thread--but I am gonna bring it up here.

I want a full scale Emerald City land, after seeing this film. I think there's a lot you can do with USH if they move things around and use one of the big expansion opportunities for Oz. Make it our version of Wizarding Paris, where we get to wander around the city, partake in the sights; and catch Wizomania. Let us meet The Wizard and follow Elphaba and Glinda as the Wicked Witch of The West is born.

I am completely on-board with Wicked in USH, and I think it'd say a lot if we got an Oz based land in the heart of LA.
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It sounds like the ideal place for a hypothetical Wicked/OZ land would be the Falls Lake area.
 
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I’ll also bring up a small nitpick, but do we have a reason why only Orlando has Glinda and Elphaba? Feels weird that they didn’t have those characters as part of USHs push for short term Wicked representation (like how Disney has the limited inclusion of Deadpool and Wolverine).
 
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I mean I have very much lowered my expectations
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Some advice:

Lower your expectations so far that the littlest of things surprise you.
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I posted my smaller Idea for Wicked because if that doesn't happen...I don't see any other way it happening unless they go with Wicked over Pokemon for Simpsons land which would both be cool but also lose them a ton of money.....I mean honestly every day Pokemon is not in USH they are losing millions a year.....if people want to see what I'm talking about look at how much the Pokemon trading card game has made in less then a month
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There's so much that goes into developing large projects like Wicked and Pokémon, especially at USH. You can't expect major projects to just happen.
 
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I’ll also bring up a small nitpick, but do we have a reason why only Orlando has Glinda and Elphaba? Feels weird that they didn’t have those characters as part of USHs push for short term Wicked representation (like how Disney has the limited inclusion of Deadpool and Wolverine).
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See, I think this is an understandable disappointment. I don't have the full inside track here, but my understanding is 1) very hard to cast those characters (Orlando only appears to have one performer for each) and 2) they know their popularity is going to far outstrip their ability to accommodate demand given #1.
 
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I don't know if I buy those excuses. LA is literally an actor's town. It doesn't seem like it should be all that difficult to cast people. Disney manages to cast their umpteen million characters, and HHN casts a crapload of people. Two roles can't be that hard by comparison.

As for their popularity, they can take a lesson from the recent Grinch meets of last year and have some on the upper and lower lots.
 
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I don't know if I buy those excuses. LA is literally an actor's town. It doesn't seem like it should be all that difficult to cast people. Disney manages to cast their umpteen million characters, and HHN casts a crapload of people. Two roles can't be that hard by comparison.

As for their popularity, they can take a lesson from the recent Grinch meets of last year and have some on the upper and lower lots.
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Based on how certain other performers for characters of level of "importance" have had to be cast in the past, I think the wrinkle is the studio -- and potentially Ervio and Grande themselves -- may have to explicitly approve whoever is emulating their performances. I'm not saying it couldn't be done or that I agree with the decision, but the park may not want to go through all that.
 
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I mean people saying "low effect Wicked redesign and street show wont work"

I'll point to Disney, People LOVE big hero six mini land, no rides and its all food and vibes and people love it, secondly Storytime with Deadpool lets not pretend this is big effort show and people love it

Also for those like it takes time....I've been here for years they have had time to plan every year they don't move the Tram just makes the project cost more and since we all know one day its going to happen all they are doing in delaying it is making it where it will cost the parks more later because inflation.

Anyway, I find it funny some are fighting against the Dreamworks theater not getting a new show after....8 years when the idea for this attraction was for it to be a flex space and get more shows....of course it won't be free to update it but it also won;t cost anything close to the coaster, SNW or even SLOP. It will cost much much less then any of those mostly it would be making a new movie and pre show and maybe new items in the case in the pre show.

Also on people saying I'm wrong on SNW crowds dying, I'm sorry the line for the line has gone wayyyyyy down and the land you can just walk into now...I go to the parks all the time the parks are not are crowded as a year ago. HHN this year was also lighter and while USH is has grinchmas that has days it closes at 6 PM...Disneyland fans are complaining about how busy the parks are right now...so there are easy factors to look at and see the park another SNW or two so it can stay open later then 6 PM on weekdays and have sold out days. I see that as a healthy park

But yeah in the end, I have low exceptions for the park because USH just doesn't want to be bigger, its not that it can't but as other pointed out in Hollywood we can't even get Wicked Meet and greets. People saying it would be too popular? But also we should wait years before adding anything Wicked to the park....ok I guess that makes sense somehow.

But I wish someone was in charge who saw their new hot movies and IPs and USED them. Have an area that every year becomes a new movie.....we all know a FNAF meet and greet would have been huge and nothing and now Wicked...they knew this would be huge and if they didn't then they wow. But Universal is fine with people waiting 3 hours for the Grinch, why not for Glinda and Elphaba?

Anyway Cowmissing on Reddit is making it sound like they might start pushing the park to get bigger...but you guys here keep me grounded and now it will be years before anything happens and part of it I get...Epic, HHN in Vegas and the Texas part have drained the bank for USH to grow until after the LA olymic's
 
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Let's slow our roll here. These things take years to get right. The first version of the monsters ride was Van Helsing, over two decades ago.

This thing has a solid chance at grossing $1b worldwide. It's the second-highest grossing Broadway show ever. It's one of Universal's marquee properties. They owe it to the fans to develop a fully immersive land rather than quickly retheme a theater.
 
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