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testtrack321 said:
Sean and I are mechanical engineers.
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I am also an ME, which is why based off what I'm seeing I don't think they are making strong progress.

To me it looks like their assembly method is very flawed.

What is driving the "way way over budget"
 
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What is driving the "way way over budget"
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No specifics, but too give you a clue, budget was $500M, It'll be approaching $1B if not over by the time it opens.
 
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Well hopefully this ride will be able to deliver everything the movie has to offer and Disney Does not try to dumb it down in order to stay in budget like there were going to do to the poor boy potter if he had came to WDW instead of universal
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All signs point to this land costing close to 1 Billion dollars when complete... It should or rather better be the greatest achievement ever for WDI and WDW. Will it? Time will tell...
 
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a guy i know working close to this project said the TOL pictures that went up last week have nothing on the bioluminescent flora and fauna going into the land
 
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All signs point to this land costing close to 1 Billion dollars when complete... It should or rather better be the greatest achievement ever for WDI and WDW. Will it? Time will tell...
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Holy jumping Jesus, a billion? That's a lot of ambiance. They should have kept the launch coaster idea.
 
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hatetofly said:
All signs point to this land costing close to 1 Billion dollars when complete... It should or rather better be the greatest achievement ever for WDI and WDW. Will it? Time will tell...
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Is it a gray area to call it the greatest achievement ever if you go over budget by minimum 100% haha

Heads must be rolling over there, even for Disney that is a serious miscalculation for the books.

To make my point though, I think its interesting that its THIS FAR over budget and there hasn't been any leak or statement of what major problems have been hit. (because there must be some??)

You don't go 250 million over budget by miscalculating man hours....

At the very least you would think Disney would be releasing a lot more detail of the rides and features to justify it.....
 
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Blaw923 said:
Is it a gray area to call it the greatest achievement ever if you go over budget by minimum 100% haha

Heads must be rolling over there, even for Disney that is a serious miscalculation for the books.

To make my point though, I think its interesting that its THIS FAR over budget and there hasn't been any leak or statement of what major problems have been hit. (because there must be some??)

You don't go 250 million over budget by miscalculating man hours....

At the very least you would think Disney would be releasing a lot more detail of the rides and features to justify it.....
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But that is the thing. Disney doesn't always go over budget because things go wrong, they are just really mismanaged from top to bottom. they waste money on stupid crap all the time. Their employees have no regards for what things cost because that is the culture they have lived in. It is waste, waste, waste. I remember talking to a guy who worked night shift maintenance at MK. He told me a story where he told his co-workers to bring in the tools when they were done. Well they didn't listen, because they didn't care. It rained and some of the tools got messed up as they were not outdoor type stuff. So they had to buy new stuff. The employees didn't care and the management just paid for it and didn't yell at the guys for what they had done. Things like that is why Disney's budgets are large to begin with and they always go over budget. They are not running an efficient company at all. Where Uni is running more efficient and their culture is WAY different.

Culture makes a big difference. I remember hearing stories of the money that was blown at my company in the heyday of print. They said it was like no one cared what things cost. They would have limos wrapped around the building just waiting for an exec or editor that might need it. Everything always had to be the most expensive because that was the best, right? Obviously print is no longer what it used to be and now they cut every corner they can possibly cut. Disney is odd, because they make cuts while still not cleaning up their over spending. I feel like everything is coming to a head for Disney though and some of the management changes I think are showing that.
 
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Blaw923 said:
Is it a gray area to call it the greatest achievement ever if you go over budget by minimum 100% haha

Heads must be rolling over there, even for Disney that is a serious miscalculation for the books.

To make my point though, I think its interesting that its THIS FAR over budget and there hasn't been any leak or statement of what major problems have been hit. (because there must be some??)

You don't go 250 million over budget by miscalculating man hours....

At the very least you would think Disney would be releasing a lot more detail of the rides and features to justify it.....
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Heads already have rolled...
 
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Finally made it out to Animal Kingdom on Sunday, and I will say that seeing the floating mountains in person did not do anything for me. I will further add that spending time in the park reminded me what it is about (or supposed to be about) and AVATAR really doesn't mesh with the mission or vision of the park. I am sure the area will be nice, but I am not so sure that it belongs.
 
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If it's 1 billion, it will take a long time for that investment to turn a profit. Especially since it's doubtful they'll do anything similar to HP numbers for food & merchandise. The theme doesn't lend itself to big time numbers for that.
 
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IzzyB said:
But that is the thing. Disney doesn't always go over budget because things go wrong, they are just really mismanaged from top to bottom. they waste money on stupid crap all the time. Their employees have no regards for what things cost because that is the culture they have lived in. It is waste, waste, waste. I remember talking to a guy who worked night shift maintenance at MK. He told me a story where he told his co-workers to bring in the tools when they were done. Well they didn't listen, because they didn't care. It rained and some of the tools got messed up as they were not outdoor type stuff. So they had to buy new stuff. The employees didn't care and the management just paid for it and didn't yell at the guys for what they had done. Things like that is why Disney's budgets are large to begin with and they always go over budget. They are not running an efficient company at all. Where Uni is running more efficient and their culture is WAY different.

Culture makes a big difference. I remember hearing stories of the money that was blown at my company in the heyday of print. They said it was like no one cared what things cost. They would have limos wrapped around the building just waiting for an exec or editor that might need it. Everything always had to be the most expensive because that was the best, right? Obviously print is no longer what it used to be and now they cut every corner they can possibly cut. Disney is odd, because they make cuts while still not cleaning up their over spending. I feel like everything is coming to a head for Disney though and some of the management changes I think are showing that.
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We were sitting at one of the quiet pools at Caribbean Beach resort. Adjacent is a laundry/rest room area with a few bushes. A crew of six employees came in to trim the bushes. They spent three hours trimming what I trim on my own property myself, in less than an hour. Bet that kind of stuff is multiplied everywhere in all aspects of the resort. "It's the culture" , yes, great choice of words Izzy.
 
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Mad Dog said:
If it's 1 billion, it will take a long time for that investment to turn a profit. Especially since it's doubtful they'll do anything similar to HP numbers for food & merchandise. The theme doesn't lend itself to big time numbers for that.
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Yep, that's the real problem with the land. You can spend that kinda cash on Potter and Star Wars and easily recoup your investment. I'm not sure Pandora really moves the needle much under any metric.
 
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Mad Dog said:
If it's 1 billion, it will take a long time for that investment to turn a profit. Especially since it's doubtful they'll do anything similar to HP numbers for food & merchandise. The theme doesn't lend itself to big time numbers for that.
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Why do you think there have been so many cuts lately? Between this, Shanghai, MM+ and people just generally not wanting to go to DLP (after they bought out the resort in full), they've been spending a crapload for very little in return at the parks.
 
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Yep, that's the real problem with the land. You can spend that kinda cash on Potter and Star Wars and easily recoup your investment. I'm not sure Pandora really moves the needle much under any metric.
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Exactly. Things like military mess hall food theme aren't going to have Beauty & the Beast metrics.And the trickle down effect of siphoning budget money off other potential projects, and creating an anti expansion management mind set are other negatives.
 
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Why do you think there have been so many cuts lately? Between this, Shanghai, MM+ and people just generally not wanting to go to DLP (after they bought out the resort in full), they've been spending a crapload for very little in return at the parks.
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I'm aware & I agree. All good points.
 
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I'm excited for this but at the same time I am not. From what I heard the boat ride is going to be visually stunning but lack any thrills and be educational while using Naa'vi as guides to help with teach us about conservation which is okay but rides like its a small world and stuff like that don't do much for me other than act as a time eater until my next fastpass or dinner.

As for Flying Over Pandora, I get the thrill of being on a creature who feels as if it is breathing but I don't know. Its all about execuetion and if it is too intense, Disney isn't Universal they will tone it down.
 
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Thisguynamedlee said:
Well hopefully this ride will be able to deliver everything the movie has to offer and Disney Does not try to dumb it down in order to stay in budget like there were going to do to the poor boy potter if he had came to WDW instead of universal
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They will.
 
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hatetofly said:
All signs point to this land costing close to 1 Billion dollars when complete... It should or rather better be the greatest achievement ever for WDI and WDW. Will it? Time will tell...
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Yes hopefully they don't just end up wasting another billion dollars this thing better deliver but with money like that it has to , and hopefully it Does not get pushed back to a later date
 
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im not quite sure i understand
you think the level of progress for the construction of Pandora is pathetic?
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He was just being nice, I think he meant "awful".
 
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Supposedly, they're way way way over budget. So that part doesn't appear to be a problem (except for the accountants and other projects disappearing to pay for the over budget.Someone has to pay for it):)
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And I guess this was after the BIG lump of money added to the original budget after the opening of Diagon Alley, perhaps a show of force or something. Almost 2 years after the opening of DA, we still waiting for this to open... and wait for the delayed opening day just like everything else. If lucky, we might get to see this project finished by the end of summer 2017 (after the delay, of course).
 
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