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Antarctica - Empire of the Penguin

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Bad news for vegans. Expedition Cafe is taking veggie wraps off the menu due to "cutting operational costs". Also seems they will be phasing out salads. Requires too many work hours. Bad move SWO. Why are they cutting budgets at a brand new area?
 
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Crazy how the park just raised prices but has budget cuts. At least it is just a menu change.
 
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From everything I saw, the new place to eat is not popular. Most likely because people are either waiting in line for the ride or elsewhere because they can't do anything else in that area. This is the mistake of not allowing people to see the penguins without doing the ride itself. Because they don't have a good flow of people coming in an out now (the flow is all based on ride capacity which is poor). So people don't see this place or are not in the area when hungry. That mixed with some bad reviews of the food, means the place to eat needs to cut costs as it is loosing money. This could spark management to realize how much this whole thing is a huge fail.
 
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There are issues galore and from what I was told the suits from midtown Manhattan are not impressed with current numbers. They are very concerned why the largest capital investment company wide (current parks) isn't living up to the hype and numbers. Match that with less than impressive guest satisfaction surveys, loss of marketshare, decrease in employee engagement scores, and numerous PR issues we may see a change coming.

Did I mention Jim Dean has been very successful in the companies eyes at Busch Gardens? :look:
 
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The one thing that might actually concern me more than a shoulder shrug by SeaWorld Parks would be a large overreaction by Blackstone and/or SeaWorld Parks. There obviously needs to be some changes made with regards to this specific attraction/expansion, and possibly to the creative approach with attractions, but from what I know a large scale executive move and funding change would likely be more harmful than good.

In a creative environment you're going to have duds, and even one like Antarctica that people believe in that make it through. Taking this as a challenge to make it work is what should happen, and I think the overall addition is not that far from where it needs to be.
 
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The food thing can be fixed. The brand new over-hyped ride... I think they're stuck with it, at least for a while. Maybe a year from now, during a slow season, they can take the ride down and rework the scenes, and maybe add another way to see the penguin exhibit without riding. I think right now you can't see the exhibit without going through the ride because they slowly acclimate your body to the cold during the ride. That way, the 30-degree temperature in the exhibit isn't such a shock as it would be coming directly from the sunny outside.

Another thing that is surprising is that they're having these issues with the penguins trying to run off. It really seems like there's been some poor planning for this attraction. It's too bad that SeaWorld is taking a hit instead of a bump with this, because I think the park has a lot of potential.
 
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This entire thing has been a disaster. I just want to point out that seaworld's facebook page has been posting wanted ad's for Antarctica.

I've never seen an opening crew start quitting so quickly.
 
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Has anyone that has been to seaworlds Antarctica experience this. I read this on trip advisor and wondered if it was really an issue

"The Antarctica area itself was miserably hot and bright. The sun radiates off of the white "fake" glaciers and is almost blinding its so bright. Trees or any type of shade is nonexistent. It was a good 20 degrees hotter than the rest of the park. A screen for shade over that entire area would make it a million times better".
 
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Miketheboss said:
Has anyone that has been to seaworlds Antarctica experience this. I read this on trip advisor and wondered if it was really an issue

"The Antarctica area itself was miserably hot and bright. The sun radiates off of the white "fake" glaciers and is almost blinding its so bright. Trees or any type of shade is nonexistent. It was a good 20 degrees hotter than the rest of the park. A screen for shade over that entire area would make it a million times better".
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I will agree with the blinding brightness and will say it was brutally hot but not sure if it has anything to do with the rock work.

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quickfire609 said:
This entire thing has been a disaster. I just want to point out that seaworld's facebook page has been posting wanted ad's for Antarctica.

I've never seen an opening crew start quitting so quickly.
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The 30-45 min rotations in frigid temps and dealing with unsatisfied customers are surely part of it.
 
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Wow, gotta say I actually feel sorry for SeaWorld about this. I haven't ridden it myself yet (I should next month), but I'm reading very few positive reviews. I had hoped that this attraction would help push SeaWorld forward a good bit in the market but it doesn't look like that's happening. I hope this doesn't give them cold feet about future projects.
 
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Disney Dawg Fan said:
Wow, gotta say I actually feel sorry for SeaWorld about this. I haven't ridden it myself yet (I should next month), but I'm reading very few positive reviews. I had hoped that this attraction would help push SeaWorld forward a good bit in the market but it doesn't look like that's happening. I hope this doesn't give them cold feet about future projects.
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If anything, it'll give them cold feet on doing immersive/themed lands and dark rides. Sea World/Busch never has seemed to be able to succeed at executing a great dark ride.
 
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Felipe said:
I think right now you can't see the exhibit without going through the ride because they slowly acclimate your body to the cold during the ride. That way, the 30-degree temperature in the exhibit isn't such a shock as it would be coming directly from the sunny outside.
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(I have not been on the ride yet)

True - the queue and the room you go into before the ride is a "de-humidification" process. If I recall correctly, it might affect the penguins if it got too humid in there.
 
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They should have built a "walking" route like they have to Wild Arctic area. Have some pre-show type things that you can do, that would do the same thing. But have it as a separate line right away (just like Wild Arctic). I am just not sure how they could have been this stupid. They knew what the capacity was gonna be from the beginning. Not like something changed to make capacity worse than it was going to be. So they knew the flow that would go through that area. Which means they had to know less people in an area means less $$$ being spent. They also had to know that some people would not want to ride the ride, but would like to see the penguins.

I guess it is my operations degree talking here, but the team that did this did not have their thinking caps on the day they came up with the idea to have everyone go through the line whether you wanted to ride the ride or not.
 
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I would say that Penguins are one of the most popular animals in the park. How could they not anticipate people being upset they can't just see them?
 
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The primary complaint I've been hearing is the fact that guests can't just enjoy the penguins. Once disembarked from the attraction, it's not only unbearably cold, but the next round of guests will be pushing you out the door as well.

I'm surprised it wasn't setup more similar to Manta. Non-riders can still enjoy the exhibits and not feel pressured to have to leave. I guess the logic was that because it's a family attraction everybody would ride and thus everybody would see the penguins.

Like stated previously before, I'm extraordinarily disappointed with the way this turned out. I thought for sure this was going to help push Sea World up to a new level in terms of thematic and creative attractions. Apparently not.
 
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While it is a family attraction, not everyone can ride. If you can't sit up on your own, you cannot ride. So babies and some handicapped people would not be able to ride. My son may be one of them, especially since one of the workers told my nurse they have to be able to walk to ride it. This excludes all wheelchair bound people. I am hoping this is not true and that employee has no clue what they are talking about.

But outside of the everyone can ride thought they had, they failed to realize some people just might not want to ride it every time they want to see the penguins. Wild Arctic is fun and all, but many times (even prior to kids who can't ride it) we would go the walking route because we just wanted to see the animals and didn't care to wait in line to ride wild arctic for the 50th time. Many local families go to Sea World with their kids a lot. It is a cheaper park and for kids that are smaller can be a fun park to go to and use like you would use your local zoo. Orlando doesn't have a zoo like I grew up with, so that is how I use it with my kids too. So now any locals who get tired of the ride, won't really want to wait in long lines just to see penguins, which when it used to be there was a HUGE hit for my kids.

So while I think a walking part of the attraction would have been good and this could have still limited the amount of guests in the area, they should have probably also built a glass part of the attraction. The traditional behind the glass area for people to still see the penguins (this could have been a come and go as you please no line like the old one) that don't want to wait in any line, but also can't handle the extreme cold. This is going to be another issue for some guests who want to stay and watch the penguins longer, but can't due to the cold. Those people can see the penguins up close and then move to the glass normal temp area.

Also, outside of getting bored and not wanting to ride, to not everyone being able to ride, they totally forgot about capacity. How many people can this ride handle per day vs. how many people attend the parks. We have talked about this with other parks and many rides not everyone wants to ride or not everyone can ride. But when it comes to an animal area it is completely different. Because I can't imagine too many people go to Sea World and plan to not see the penguins. Plus you think everyone can see animals. So now you just have limited the number of people that can see a popular animal based on how many people can ride the ride in a day.

Again, no one had their thinking caps on when coming up with this idea. If they did, they could have prevented so many parts of this that are such a huge fail.
 
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Maybe they should scrap the ride completely and turn the whole building into a penguin exhibit area. Then they could utilize the RVs for a new ride that is better conceptualized and takes advantage of the RVs technology :shrug:
 
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And the SeaWorld issues continue,

http://www.wesh.com/themeparks/othe...rld/-/14183038/20494914/-/fvo7m1/-/index.html

Sorry if this has been shared already, I've been busy.

EDIT: Just saw Nitro's thread on this

http://www.orlandounited.com/forums/showthread.php?8188-Sea-Lion-Escapes-Enclosure-at-SeaWorld
 
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Even more negative press for SeaWorld

http://www.wesh.com/themeparks/othe...ha/-/14183038/20504916/-/isvib3z/-/index.html
 
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I rode a second time this past weekend and my experience was a lot better.

On my first visit:
(1) Preshow video was not working in the small room right before boarding.
(2) Narration was not working at all in my car (I think the ride was off synch).
(3) My car entered the video rooms last and only saw the last few seconds of the final video room.

Second visit:
(1) Everything was working in the ride and preshow.
(2) The queue was shorter and moved much faster.
(3) I was the first car in the group, so the car danced around more than before to wait for the others (although the spinning was much less, strangely).
(3) The cold didn't bother me as much, as I was accustomed to it this time.
(4) The underwater viewing was not murky and dark, like the first time.

Only negative is that the nets are up now, which really harms the experience. But the ride is not as bad as my first impression.
 
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