Halloween Horror Nights 25 Discussion

[Cole]

She quit due to guest harassment. Wednesday was her last night.

That sucks so much because she was amazing. The color cast will not be the same without her, why must people ruin literally everything?

 

[SeventyOne]

Are there signs out front telling the guests that they must not touch the actors? I know the actors cannot touch the guests.

Seems rather unnecessary given Florida has a battery statute. Grabbing a random girl's ass, even Carrie's, is a crime, not just a reason to trespass.

Sadly, this is not really new. Back in the day (late 70s/early 80s), before character attendants and organized meet & greets when characters would just roam the MK, my sister's friend played Alice. She would come backstage black-and-blue from being pinched and grabbed. I think the made the character parade-only for years because of this. To echo what @JungleSkip said, it's not fair or just, but if you're going to have a de facto photo op with an attractive woman, you pretty much need to have an attendant with her at all times.

 

[s8film40]

There are "Code of Conduct" signs at the park entrance and the entrance to each house. I forget the exact details listed on them but as was said anything that is a crime should go without saying. I think in situations similar Carrie they should probably build a small stage or some type of themed physical barrier. Of course I don't think they thought Carrie would be such an attraction. It's really a shame that just a few people ruin things for the rest of us.

 

[UNIrd]

People are disgusting. That's not Universal's fault. But it is strange that they feel the need to have sometimes an unusually high amount of security at random spots, like say house exits and entrances, but not near any of the free-roaming scare actors. What's the worst that can happen at a house exit? Some people lollygagging?

 

[Teebin]

What's the worst that can happen at a house exit? Some people lollygagging?

I believe that is where they nab the people who were acting poorly within that house. As I heard it, there are people in the house that can radio ahead for security to grab someone as they exit. This way, they don't further mess up the house experience for others.

 

[UNIrd]

I believe that is where they nab the people who were acting poorly within that house. As I heard it, there are people in the house that can radio ahead for security to grab someone as they exit. This way, they don't further mess up the house experience for others.

I've experienced that firsthand but sometimes they go overboard, especially at the Soundstage houses. They don't need the type of detail to make me wonder if the president is about to walk through there.

 

[s8film40]

I believe that is where they nab the people who were acting poorly within that house. As I heard it, there are people in the house that can radio ahead for security to grab someone as they exit. This way, they don't further mess up the house experience for others.

Yep, in fact just last night as I was exiting FvJ there was a Freddy and a security guard waiting at the exit. It was kind of odd to walk past and see that Jason had won the battle for that cast, and then see a Freddy waiting and watching the guests exiting. Obviously this kind of makes for a bad experience, but it didn't bother me knowing they were at least going to catch one of these guys.

 

[Lucky Planet]

Sadly, this is not really new. Back in the day (late 70s/early 80s), before character attendants and organized meet & greets when characters would just roam the MK, my sister's friend played Alice. She would come backstage black-and-blue from being pinched and grabbed. I think the made the character parade-only for years because of this. .

I remember reading this recent article about Disney secrets or something, and when there is meet and greet with disney characters or princesses, the dads will flirt and will say stuff like "im in this hotel, room ''' come see me" or when they are taking the pics they will lower their hands to their butt or stuff like that. it doesn't sound as bad as your friend's case, but they still get creepy guys doing stuff...

Of course I don't think they thought Carrie would be such an attraction. It's really a shame that just a few people ruin things for the rest of us.

I understand that almost all actors have to face being harassed or being attacked, but I was wondering if the reason she was singled out in the harassment from creepy people is because she was playing Carrie. it sounds like people really had it in to mess with her because they recognized her or something...
the Jason actor has had a lot of people gathering around him for pics and being jerks too, it sucks because it feels like Uni might not be able to use movie characters for the streets anymore in the future. everyone is going to be a moron about seeing carrie or Jason or Freddy in the street. I know actors all around the park are having trouble with people, but I did notice more people gathering around these characters than in other zones.

 

[Frank Drackman]

Well, the rest of my statement was fact, they were there, then they weren't, then they were. The rest was my conjecture. Barring any other explanation, I feel that mine was plausible. Save the best for the mega fans and push the rest on average visitors.

The black helicopter talk had me doing this face: :look:

It's all good, I just like to take the opposite side of a debate from time to time, it tends to help me learn a bit more and thanks for mentioning some of your statement was conjecture!

I don't really have an interest is knowing what happened. The whole reason I have any knowledge is because my wife had wanted a few of the items and they were not there the 2nd week of the event.

She asked a lot of folks and got all sorts of different reasons, one person offered an explanation that made walking around sense to, they also mentioned the merch would be back at some point.

I feel there is no need to share what I believe to be true for it it could very easily have been just a good story that made more sense to me then all the other stories I heard and the popularity of the items could very well be the reason behind it all.

Think of it like this: You have some branded merchandise following a theme (in this case HHN Alumni). You have 5,000 of them and they are selling fast. Some carts sell out of the items early in the night. You have 20,000 of the rest of your branded merchandise (the 25th Jack merch). The Alumni merch proved to be a solid seller, while the 25th Jack merch sells much less.

So what do you do? You pull the proven sell because if people want a shirt or a cup, they're going to buy one anyway. Sell the large quantities, then when they even out, put the other merch back out.

Still seems odd to me and may very well be the truth.

Here is how my mind thinks though.

What is it about guest during weeks two and three that they would be more apt to just buy anything verse guest later in the event? I mean, if the items sell out early in the event, folks later have less to chose from, by pulling stuf early, you just shifted the lesser choice to the guest that visit earlier in the event.

You have a limited window to sell all the merchandise, why not raise the price on what is selling too fast? You would make more per unit off the better design while still moving sales to the lesser design to folks that see the cheaper price as a better value.

I guess my biggest issue is that UNI really seems to care about their AP holders and then are pushing that concept this year. They only offer up one AP holder shirt and they inform the pass holders about it. To me, it seems like a risky move to not have the AP shirt after only two nights of the event, to not offer it on nights when you are having a pass holder event just to have it around a few weeks later...so that is why I will stick to my conspiracy concept that they had no choice in the matter, they got the issue taken care of, and they started selling the items again.

Thank for playing all!

 

[SeventyOne]

I remember reading this recent article about Disney secrets or something, and when there is meet and greet with disney characters or princesses, the dads will flirt and will say stuff like "im in this hotel, room ''' come see me" or when they are taking the pics they will lower their hands to their butt or stuff like that. it doesn't sound as bad as your friend's case, but they still get creepy guys doing stuff...

This was a Stetson girl back in the 70s/80s, when Disney characters were a lot more like roaming hoardes--pop up from the tunnels and walk around for 30 minutes. Different era now--but arguably even crazier that stuff still happens with an attendant and a photopass person right there.

 

[Cole]

All night die in is a great concept in theory but with so many iconic characters roaming the street, it's enviable people will want pictures and interactions with all of them. I'm certain Carrie knew what she was getting into with the kinds of guests that roam HHN but obviously that doesn't forgive their actions. It's nobody's fault besides the disgusting guests who made those actions, simple as that

 

[Frank Drackman]

It really sucks what happened with the girl playing Carrie, but her description of 'drive by' attracts make it sound more like some guest were grappling her as they passed by when the area was crowded.

I just bring this up for folks seem to be associating it more with photo ops. I just think it would be easier to catch someone if they did it while taking a picture.

They also have handlers (or maybe leads) near by at all times, but I think it was only two or so for the whole zone (from what I observed) which probably is not enough for the number of scare actors working the area, not to mention the crowds and the smoke/fog.

I did spend a little time watching the Die In zone, some characters (like bride of Chucky) kept moving so it was hard to get pictures with. The guy who plays Freddy would stop for pics, but if it started to draw a crowd or line, he would start to move again (I thought that scareactor had a cool swagger to him, played the part well).

One time I went through, Chucky was walking with Bride of Chucky so they were both on the move and not stopping to allow a photo op to develope.

Anyway, it does suck that some guest can't have fun and still remember how to act in a civilized society!

 

[Lucky Planet]

All night die in is a great concept in theory but with so many iconic characters roaming the street, it's enviable people will want pictures and interactions with all of them. I'm certain Carrie knew what she was getting into with the kinds of guests that roam HHN but obviously that doesn't forgive their actions. It's nobody's fault besides the disgusting guests who made those actions, simple as that

Yeah but how can you stop actors and actresses from getting tho kind of harassment? That's the problem. Yeah the guests are disgusting but it shouldn't be that way though, and if uni can they should try to cut down on the abuse, that's why I was wondering if famous movie characters should just only be used in houses. Obviously there are other ways that they can stop abuse but not using famous characters might be one you know?

 

[Cole]

I think using popular characters like that just walking around is definitely part of the problem yes. Don't think I'm blaming guests for wanting these selfies and experiences because believe me I totally get it. Who doesn't want their picture with Jason? That's just awesome!!! I just think this is just too much for some more than others

 

[Lucky Planet]

I think using popular characters like that just walking around is definitely part of the problem yes. Don't think I'm blaming guests for wanting these selfies and experiences because believe me I totally get it. Who doesn't want their picture with Jason? That's just awesome!!! I just think this is just too much for some more than others

i wrote that post leaving the park. then I just get home, check facebook....
omg, 3 more actresses quit because of extreme abuse. (girl from the Die In zone has a swollen eye from a hit)
another actress said she was spit on and touched inappropriately constantly, fans are pretty angry about it...(a lot of people saying Uni needs to ban alcohol) I didn't even check my facebook today before going to the park, had no idea.. wtf is going on. I think there are other posts from actors but i am not sure if they were deleted or something. seems like there were more posts but those are missing because people are talking about other actors and the abuse this year. are people just much more aggressive this year or something?

 

[UNIrd]

Or maybe there's just more actors coming forward about it after the Carrie incident. Either way, alcohol and HHN go hand-in-hand like Epcot and, well, any day of the year. So that's not new. Are these record crowds this year?

 

[SeventyOne]

The idea of scare-zone as photo op is relatively recent (talking since 2012/2013). Scare-actors used to be constantly on the move--and you had no reason to be putting an arm around one or otherwise making contact.

Disney did away with the free-form character meet & greet years ago. By bringing it back--at night with a rowdy, drunken crowd no less--Universal Ops was just asking for trouble.

 

[MrRoamer]

Friday was pretty manageable but Sunday was packed. Saw at least 3 people being talked to by security (or at least reported) and one person being escorted out, not sure if they caused a problem or something happened to them. Read about the other actors leaving and this is really becoming heart breaking.
I have no idea why it seems like guests are a bigger problem than they have every other year, the only thing that has changed seems to be the amount of people in the houses and scarezones. Have been trying to think of possible ways to keep the actors safe and not harassed and it seems to bring up more questions. Why is Die In such a problem while Icons and Roots Evil aren't? Why was the one actor that could be easily foreseen to be harassed in a room with no TM or security, especially in a house that is stacked to the brim with both?
One common thread I've seen from all 3 people is that many times they can't report someone fast enough. Would it help if they replaced the actors' ear plug with a earbud microphone?

 

[s8film40]

Or maybe there's just more actors coming forward about it after the Carrie incident. Either way, alcohol and HHN go hand-in-hand like Epcot and, well, any day of the year. So that's not new. Are these record crowds this year?

The crowds could be larger. They haven't had any sell out nights as opposed to having two last year, but I think the extra house and Diagon Alley probably added to the park capacity.

 

[Parkscope Joe]

The crowds could be larger. They haven't had any sell out nights as opposed to having two last year, but I think the extra house and Diagon Alley probably added to the park capacity.

Exactly. All about the hourly capacity of the rides and houses to boost the capacity.