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Pandora: The World of Avatar Announcement, Construction, & Preview Discussion

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The reactions to Flight of Passage are very encouraging, but I remain a skeptic. I like Soarin' a lot, but if this doesn't bring something substantially new to the table, I doubt I'll be raving about it when I walk out of it. I'm hoping something about the ride ends up surprising me. But as I said, the fact that some people seem truly knocked out by it is a good sign.

River Journey looks completely up my alley, though, short duration or not.
 
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Why is this thread always so uncomfortable to read... :bolt:

In regards to Flight of Passage, I'm very excited to try this out in September, not sure on the leg restraints though. River Journey I'm looking forward to seeing and taking photos of although I must admit a few other AK attractions take priority, so if I can't get a fastpass for it and the line is too long I may skip it!
 
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rhino4evr said:
So I've just caught up on several pages of updates. Id like to say this...

It's REALLY frustrating when the main poster updating this thread and posting pictures and video does so with his or her opinion attached, and to literally every post.

I'm not going to beat around the bush, encyclopedia britanica. I find your posts obnoxious and slightly inflammatory.

I have no clue why the mods seem to protecting this type of behavior. It gives such a negative feel to this thread.

We are all entitled to our opinions, but having to read almost every update through the eyes and thoughts of a complete cynic of the attraction is beyond exhausting.

I come to Orlando united because those other theme park boards seem heavily biased towards Disney, which I am not.

I would prefer a more balanced discussion.

That's all I'm going to say....

Oh and....the folks getting upset that they are selling baby avatar stuffed animals need to get a life.
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Since you called us out....


I in no means am protecting anyone or encouraging any negative type of behavior. In fact, he's been banned twice so far for taking it too far - but I can't control how Epcyclo feels - if he wants to piss on everything, it's his prerogative to do so as long as it's within board rules. I'm not going to a censor an opinion. I understand everyone won't see eye to eye, which is why there is a mute feature. Also; there was also a lot of thread clean up last night where a few were rudely egging him on due to the difference of opinion so do they get a pass because they're more positive? Either way, I did warn him to play nice

This thread has been nightmare from both sides for a long time. I've never seen a theme park land get people so worked up, and be seen as so black and white. If you criticize it, you're a hater. If you love it, you're a "pixie duster". Hell, the only problems I've had with the land is relevancy and will it reach Disney's goals of success and apparently "I want it to fail"....

If you have any more issues you want to vent about, feel free to PM me. I think I've said enough.
 
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rhino4evr said:
So I've just caught up on several pages of updates. Id like to say this...

It's REALLY frustrating when the main poster updating this thread and posting pictures and video does so with his or her opinion attached, and to literally every post.

I'm not going to beat around the bush, encyclopedia britanica. I find your posts obnoxious and slightly inflammatory.

I have no clue why the mods seem to protecting this type of behavior. It gives such a negative feel to this thread.

We are all entitled to our opinions, but having to read almost every update through the eyes and thoughts of a complete cynic of the attraction is beyond exhausting.

I come to Orlando united because those other theme park boards seem heavily biased towards Disney, which I am not.

I would prefer a more balanced discussion.

That's all I'm going to say....

Oh and....the folks getting upset that they are selling baby avatar stuffed animals need to get a life.
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quinnmac000 said:
Reddit isn't a strong indicator of whats popular and what's not. They said Fate of the Furious would flop and many other inaccurate statements.
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Are you serious? Fast and furious is hugely popular on Reddit. Reddit is giant free marketing that skews to a younger audience that is the future of who is spending money at disney parks.
 
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Owen said:
Why is this thread always so uncomfortable to read... :bolt:

In regards to Flight of Passage, I'm very excited to try this out in September, not sure on the leg restraints though. River Journey I'm looking forward to seeing and taking photos of although I must admit a few other AK attractions take priority, so if I can't get a fastpass for it and the line is too long I may skip it!
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Same. I actually am looking forward to the River Journey more but am waiting to be pleasantly surprised by Flight of Passage. I will also be there in September. Not sure about the land as a whole. Probably beautiful at night, though. No matter what, it is great to have some new rides at WDW as a whole.
 
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bob albert said:
Are you serious? Fast and furious is hugely popular on Reddit. Reddit is giant free marketing that skews to a younger audience those the future of who is spending money at disney parks.
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I'm an avid Redditor. I know who Reddit skews to. Many people use upvote bots to send things to the front page. Seeing something upvoted to the front page doesn't mean its actually the true representation of the reddit community. Secondly, following Fast and the Furious latest film campaign majority of the comments where poop posts on how no one asked for another fast and furious and how bad it will be and how it will flop because the only reason the last one did good was because Paul Walker died.

Just because Avatar Video gets posted on Reddit and gets posted on the front page, doesn't equate its going to be huge. The most popular post was about how creep it looked.
 
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Never in my time here have I seen so many people jumping down one another's throats. That is very disappointing to me - this is a diverse community with people across a multitude of backgrounds and opinions.
There seem to be factions saying we must believe it is an incredible land, and people who like to push buttons. Frankly the more I've seen from this land the more excited I've gotten but I STILL have reserved judgement over whether it will be a success or not, because there is a lot to consider here and to be honest I feel like Disney pushed too hard too soon trying to do anything to combat Potter. The merch in particular seems like it's really trying - and some of it actually succeeds. But this isn't Potter, not even close. And it never will be. Some of you seem like there's a personal stake in someone's opinion over this land, and I agree with Bri - yall need to chill and just agree to disagree. The land looks awesome to me - but criticism is a necessary component of any art unvieling. I'm really bummed to see this place get so hostile.
 
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Brian G. said:
Since you called us out....


I in no means am protecting anyone or encouraging any negative type of behavior. In fact, he's been banned twice so far for taking it too far - but I can't control how Epcyclo feels - if he wants to piss on everything, it's his prerogative to do so as long as it's within board rules. I'm not going to a censor an opinion. I understand everyone won't see eye to eye, which is why there is a mute feature. Also; there was also a lot of thread clean up last night where a few were rudely egging him on due to the difference of opinion so do they get a pass because they're more positive? Either way, I did warn him to play nice

This thread has been nightmare from both sides for a long time. I've never seen a theme park land get people so worked up, and be seen as so black and white. If you criticize it, you're a hater. If you love it, you're a "pixie duster". Hell, the only problems I've had with the land is relevancy and will it reach Disney's goals of success and apparently "I want it to fail"....

If you have any more issues you want to vent about, feel free to PM me. I think I've said enough.
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I appreciate the reply, knowing that he has been banned in the past, makes me feel a little better about the work you do for the site. I know it's difficult to choose what to moderate.

I'll drop it now. I just had to get it off my chest. Hopefully other users got the "message".
 
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I'm just here for Pandora.
 
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DoubleJ said:
...perfectionism of Pandora.
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Tobias said:
Clauses which explicitly tell them not to say anything negative certainly ensure that, why do you think they had the bloggers come out and ride everything -before- the CMs? They wanted a automatic positive media push, plain and simple.
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Have you ever seen some of the vlogs by The Dis or listened to a podcast? They don't give automatic positive media push. As someone else also mentioned above, Craig wasn't a fan of Avatarland at all.

So if they wanted automatic positive media push they invited the wrong people.
 
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adjjb said:
Have you ever seen some of the vlogs by The Dis or listened to a podcast? They don't give automatic positive media push. As someone else also mentioned above, Craig wasn't a fan of Avatarland at all.

So if they wanted automatic positive media push they invited the wrong people.
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They may have invited the wrong people, but they certainly wanted entirely reliable positive media to be the first group allowed into Pandora. Control the message.

I'm sure Dis understands that, when it comes to an event like this, they rely on Disney's goodwill to give them the access they need to keep doing what they do.
 
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Everything looks really great. The AA shaman is amazing, but the ride itself looks boring. Can't comment on FOP, but the queue looks ridiculous and can't wait to see that.
 
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Mr. EPCOT said:
:saywhat:o_O:saywhat:o_O:saywhat:o_O:saywhat:o_O:saywhat:
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My opinion. If you don't like it, I don't care.
 
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Teebin said:
So were all of these robotics engineered by that subcontractor to Disney? The company name escapes me.
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The name you are looking for is Garner Holt and I don't know the answer to your question
 
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The name you are looking for is Garner Holt and I don't know the answer to your question
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Garner did not do the Shaman....it is WDI
 
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My opinion. If you don't like it, I don't care.
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I mean... perfect, though?? Nothing is perfect. There are always things that could be better. Even on masterpieces like The Haunted Mansion, Pirates of the Caribbean, Horizons, Spider-Man, etc. And Pandora doesn't even begin to approach the greatness of those attractions. With Avatar, they've done pretty much what I've expected, produced moderately entertaining attractions in a lovely setting, and there is certainly lots of room for improvement. You know, beyond just the fundamental flaw of building a multi-hundred million dollar theme park land that the majority of society has little to no emotional connection to. A theme park attraction that approaches perfection has to be something that taps deep into an idea in our cultural consciousness, like The Haunted Mansion taps into a basic mythology of haunted houses, Pirates of the Caribbean is a romanticized version of the pirates genre, Spider-Man puts you into the middle of an adventure with one of the most recognizable super-heroes in the world, Horizons embodied our dreams of the future, and so on. Avatar the film made a great effort trying to tap into the general feelings we have as a society against colonialism, and our growing sense of environmentalism, but it just didn't quite stick the landing. Those problems just get amplified when you try to translate them into a theme park environment, and we're seeing that with the mish-mash of things like the old military equipment, new tourism facilities, ignoring how Earth has become a dump in this future world, and purchasing alien babies in the gift shop.
 
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Mr. EPCOT said:
I mean... perfect, though?? Nothing is perfect. There are always things that could be better. Even on masterpieces like The Haunted Mansion, Pirates of the Caribbean, Horizons, Spider-Man, etc. And Pandora doesn't even begin to approach the greatness of those attractions. With Avatar, they've done pretty much what I've expected, produced moderately entertaining attractions in a lovely setting, and there is certainly lots of room for improvement. You know, beyond just the fundamental flaw of building a multi-hundred million dollar theme park land that the majority of society has little to no emotional connection to. A theme park attraction that approaches perfection has to be something that taps deep into an idea in our cultural consciousness, like The Haunted Mansion taps into a basic mythology of haunted houses, Pirates of the Caribbean is a romanticized version of the pirates genre, Spider-Man puts you into the middle of an adventure with one of the most recognizable super-heroes in the world, Horizons embodied our dreams of the future, and so on. Avatar the film made a great effort trying to tap into the general feelings we have as a society against colonialism, and our growing sense of environmentalism, but it just didn't quite stick the landing. Those problems just get amplified when you try to translate them into a theme park environment, and we're seeing that with the mish-mash of things like the old military equipment, new tourism facilities, ignoring how Earth has become a dump in this future world, and purchasing alien babies in the gift shop.
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I understand where you're coming from, but I don't agree with your philosophy. "Perfectionism" is a level of standard, not a suggestion that the land is perfect. It comes quite close in my eyes however.
 
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DoubleJ said:
I understand where you're coming from, but I don't agree with your philosophy. "Perfectionism" is a level of standard, not a suggestion that the land is perfect. It comes quite close in my eyes however.
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Have you experienced this land?
 
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