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zg44 said:
Use that bottom link if it works for you, if not go through these steps:
The SFWMD epermitting database:
Records Search - Application/Permit

Just search for "Universal" as the company name to pull up their most recent water management permits.

The project name is "Serenoa Village Mass Grading" for the south resort. Click on the Application number, then go to the application documents and maps folders.

"serenoa village mg stormwater mgmt calculations" is the document with that map and other water maps.
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Thanks. I had looked in some of the other documents there but not that one. :doh:

I don't have any explanation for the discrepancy. The deeds attached to that application are the same ones that were filed a few weeks ago, and they still pretty clearly exclude that parcel.
LESS AND EXCEPT (A2):
A TRACT OF LAND BEING A PORTION OF THE LANDS DESCRIBED IN THE CERTAIN
SPECIAL WARRANTY DEED, AS RECORDED IN O.R. BOOK 5638, PAGE 3517, PUBLIC
RECORDS OF ORANGE COUNTY, FLORIDA, LYING IN SECTION 31, TOWNSHIP 23 SOUTH,
RANGE 29 EAST, SECTION 6, TOWNSHIP 24 SOUTH, RANGE 29 EAST, AND SECTION 36,
TOWNSHIP 23 SOUTH, RANGE 28 EAST, BEING DESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS:

BEGIN AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF LOT 2, VLLAGE OF IMAGINE, ACCORDING TO
THE PLAT THEREOF, AS RECORDED IN PLAT BOOK 71, PAGES 95 THROUGH 97, SAID
PUBLIC RECORDS; THENCE RUN ALONG THE EASTERLY AND NORTHERLY LINE OF SAID
LOT 2, THE FOLLOWING COURSES; NORTH 02 DEGREES 55 MINUTES 13 SECONDS EAST,
71.96 FEET TO THE POINT OF CURVATURE OF A CURVE CONCAVE SOUTHWESTERLY;
THENCE RUN NORTHWESTERLY, ALONG SAID CURVE, HAVING A RADIUS OF 100.00FEET,
A CENTRAL ANGLE OF 43 DEGREES 00 MINUTES 30 SECONDS, AN ARC LENGTH OF 75.06
FEET; A CHORD LENGTH OF 73.31FEET AND A CHORD BEARING OF NORTH 18 DEGREES
35 MINUTES 02 SECONDS WEST TO THE POINT OF REVERSE CURVATURE OF A CURVE,
CONCAVE NORTHEASTERLY; THENCE RUN NORTHWESTERLY, ALONG SAID CURVE,
HAVING A RADIUS OF 300.00 FEET, A CENTRAL ANGLE OF 35 DEGREES 53 MINUTES 12
SECONDS, AN ARC LENGTH OF 187.90FEET, A CHORD LENGTH OF 184.85 FEET AND A
CHORD BEARING OF NORTH 22 DEGREES 08 MINUTES 41 SECONDS WEST TO THE POINT
OF TANGENCY; THENCE RUN NORTH 04 DEGREES 12 MINUTES 05 SECONDS WEST, 190.59
FEET TO A POINT A NON-TANGENT CURVE, CONCAVE SOUTHWESTERLY; THENCE RUN
NORTHWESTERLY, ALONG SAID NON-TANGENT CURVE, HAVING A RADIUS OF 200.00
FEET, A CENTRAL ANGLE OF 59 DEGREES 40 MINUTES 47 SECONDS, AN ARC LENGTH OF
208.32 FEET, A CHORD LENGTH OF 199.03FEET AND A CHORD BEARING OF NORTH 55
DEGREES 40 MINUTES 29 SECOND WEST TO A POINT OF REVERSE CURVATURE OF A
CURVE, CONCAVE NORTHEASTERLY; THENCE RUN NORTHWESTERLY, ALONG SAID
CURVE, HAVING A RADIUS OF 600.00 FEET, A CENTRAL ANGLE OF 45 DEGREES 37
MINUTES 29 SECONDS, AN ARC LENGTH OF 477.78 FEET, A CHORD LENGTH OF 465.26
FEET AND A CHORD BEARING OF NORTH 62 DEGREES 42 MINUTES 08 SECONDS WEST TO
A POINT OF REVERSE CURVATURE OF A CURVE, CONCAVE SOUTHWESTERLY; THENCE
RUN NORTHWESTERLY, ALONG SAID CURVE, HAVING A RADIUS OF 500.00 FEET, A
CENTRAL ANGLE OF 36 DEGREES 59 MINUTES 01 SECONDS, AN ARC LENGTH OF 322.74
FEET, A CHORD LENGTH OF 317.17FEET AND A CHORD BEARING OF NORTH 58 DEGREES
22 MINUTES 54 SECONDS WEST; THENCE RUN NORTH 89 DEGREES 32 MINUTES 46
SECONDS WEST, NON-TANGENT TO SAID CURVE, 140.17FEET; THENCE DEPARTING SAID
NORTHERLY LINE RUN NORTH 00 DEGREES 01 MINUTES 40 SECONDS EAST, 8.54 FEET;
THENCE RUN SOUTH 89 DEGREES 58 MINUTES 20 SECONDS EAST, 107.68FEET TO THE
POINT OF CURVATURE OF A CURVE, CONCAVE SOUTHWESTERLY; THENCE RUN
SOUTHEASTERLY, ALONG SAID CURVE, HAVING A RADIUS OF 450.00FEET, A CENTRAL
ANGLE OF 26 DEGREES 33 MINUTES 50 SECONDS, AND ARC LENGTH OF 208.63FEET, A
CHORD LENGTH OF 206.77 FEET AND A CHORD BEARING OF SOUTH 76 DEGREES 41
MINUTES 25 SECONDS EAST; THENCE RUN NORTH 38 DEGREES 56 MINUTES 58 SECONDS
EAST, 949.22FEET TO A POINT LYING ON THE SOUTHERLY LINE OF A WATER DRAINAGE
AGREEMENT, AS RECORDED IN O.R. BOOK 6159, PAGE 1936 AND O.R. BOOK 6983,PAGE
2192 OF SAID PUBLIC RECORDS; THENCE RUN ALONG SAID SOUTHERLY LINE THE
FOLLOWING COURSES; THENCE RUN SOUTH 51 DEGREES 03 MINUTES 02 SECONDS EAST,
300.99 FEET; THENCE RUN SOUTH 43 DEGREES 03 MINUTES 56 SECONDS EAST, 640.28
FEET; THENCE RUN SOUTH 45 DEGREES 32 MINUTES 44 SECONDS EAST, 333.01 FEET;
THENCE DEPARTING SAID SOUTHERLY LINE, RUN SOUTH 00 DEGREES 32 MINUTES 43
SECONDS EAST, 938.75FEET TO A POINT LYING ON THE NORTHERLY RIGHT OF WAY LINE
OF UNIVERSAL BOULEVARD, USI-SOUTH CAMPUS UNIT ONE, ACCORDING TO THE PLAT
THEREOF AS RECORDED IN PLAT BOOK 46, PAGES 13 THROUGH 16 OF SAID PUBLIC
RECORDS; SAID POINT ALSO LIES ON A NON-TANGENT CURVE, CONCAVE
SOUTHWESTERLY; THENCE RUN NORTHWESTERLY, ALONG SAID NORTHERLY RIGHT OF
WAY LINE AND SAID NON-TANGENT CURVE, HAVING A RADIUS OF 2864.58 FEET,
CENTRAL ANGLE OF 14 DEGREES 55 MINUTES 48 SECONDS, AN ARC LENGTH OF 746.44
FEET, A CHORD LENGTH OF 744.33FEET AND A CHORD BEARING OF NORTH 79 DEGREES
36 MINUTES 54 SECONDS WEST TO THE POINT OF BEGINNING.
As far as I can tell no other land transactions have occurred, so for the moment I think we should assume universal does not have that parcel until we see something more definitive.
 
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Happytycho said:
Thanks. I had looked in some of the other documents there but not that one. :doh:

I don't have any explanation for the discrepancy. The deeds attached to that application are the same ones that were filed a few weeks ago, and they still pretty clearly exclude that parcel.
LESS AND EXCEPT (A2):
A TRACT OF LAND BEING A PORTION OF THE LANDS DESCRIBED IN THE CERTAIN
SPECIAL WARRANTY DEED, AS RECORDED IN O.R. BOOK 5638, PAGE 3517, PUBLIC
RECORDS OF ORANGE COUNTY, FLORIDA, LYING IN SECTION 31, TOWNSHIP 23 SOUTH,
RANGE 29 EAST, SECTION 6, TOWNSHIP 24 SOUTH, RANGE 29 EAST, AND SECTION 36,
TOWNSHIP 23 SOUTH, RANGE 28 EAST, BEING DESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS:

BEGIN AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF LOT 2, VLLAGE OF IMAGINE, ACCORDING TO
THE PLAT THEREOF, AS RECORDED IN PLAT BOOK 71, PAGES 95 THROUGH 97, SAID
PUBLIC RECORDS; THENCE RUN ALONG THE EASTERLY AND NORTHERLY LINE OF SAID
LOT 2, THE FOLLOWING COURSES; NORTH 02 DEGREES 55 MINUTES 13 SECONDS EAST,
71.96 FEET TO THE POINT OF CURVATURE OF A CURVE CONCAVE SOUTHWESTERLY;
THENCE RUN NORTHWESTERLY, ALONG SAID CURVE, HAVING A RADIUS OF 100.00FEET,
A CENTRAL ANGLE OF 43 DEGREES 00 MINUTES 30 SECONDS, AN ARC LENGTH OF 75.06
FEET; A CHORD LENGTH OF 73.31FEET AND A CHORD BEARING OF NORTH 18 DEGREES
35 MINUTES 02 SECONDS WEST TO THE POINT OF REVERSE CURVATURE OF A CURVE,
CONCAVE NORTHEASTERLY; THENCE RUN NORTHWESTERLY, ALONG SAID CURVE,
HAVING A RADIUS OF 300.00 FEET, A CENTRAL ANGLE OF 35 DEGREES 53 MINUTES 12
SECONDS, AN ARC LENGTH OF 187.90FEET, A CHORD LENGTH OF 184.85 FEET AND A
CHORD BEARING OF NORTH 22 DEGREES 08 MINUTES 41 SECONDS WEST TO THE POINT
OF TANGENCY; THENCE RUN NORTH 04 DEGREES 12 MINUTES 05 SECONDS WEST, 190.59
FEET TO A POINT A NON-TANGENT CURVE, CONCAVE SOUTHWESTERLY; THENCE RUN
NORTHWESTERLY, ALONG SAID NON-TANGENT CURVE, HAVING A RADIUS OF 200.00
FEET, A CENTRAL ANGLE OF 59 DEGREES 40 MINUTES 47 SECONDS, AN ARC LENGTH OF
208.32 FEET, A CHORD LENGTH OF 199.03FEET AND A CHORD BEARING OF NORTH 55
DEGREES 40 MINUTES 29 SECOND WEST TO A POINT OF REVERSE CURVATURE OF A
CURVE, CONCAVE NORTHEASTERLY; THENCE RUN NORTHWESTERLY, ALONG SAID
CURVE, HAVING A RADIUS OF 600.00 FEET, A CENTRAL ANGLE OF 45 DEGREES 37
MINUTES 29 SECONDS, AN ARC LENGTH OF 477.78 FEET, A CHORD LENGTH OF 465.26
FEET AND A CHORD BEARING OF NORTH 62 DEGREES 42 MINUTES 08 SECONDS WEST TO
A POINT OF REVERSE CURVATURE OF A CURVE, CONCAVE SOUTHWESTERLY; THENCE
RUN NORTHWESTERLY, ALONG SAID CURVE, HAVING A RADIUS OF 500.00 FEET, A
CENTRAL ANGLE OF 36 DEGREES 59 MINUTES 01 SECONDS, AN ARC LENGTH OF 322.74
FEET, A CHORD LENGTH OF 317.17FEET AND A CHORD BEARING OF NORTH 58 DEGREES
22 MINUTES 54 SECONDS WEST; THENCE RUN NORTH 89 DEGREES 32 MINUTES 46
SECONDS WEST, NON-TANGENT TO SAID CURVE, 140.17FEET; THENCE DEPARTING SAID
NORTHERLY LINE RUN NORTH 00 DEGREES 01 MINUTES 40 SECONDS EAST, 8.54 FEET;
THENCE RUN SOUTH 89 DEGREES 58 MINUTES 20 SECONDS EAST, 107.68FEET TO THE
POINT OF CURVATURE OF A CURVE, CONCAVE SOUTHWESTERLY; THENCE RUN
SOUTHEASTERLY, ALONG SAID CURVE, HAVING A RADIUS OF 450.00FEET, A CENTRAL
ANGLE OF 26 DEGREES 33 MINUTES 50 SECONDS, AND ARC LENGTH OF 208.63FEET, A
CHORD LENGTH OF 206.77 FEET AND A CHORD BEARING OF SOUTH 76 DEGREES 41
MINUTES 25 SECONDS EAST; THENCE RUN NORTH 38 DEGREES 56 MINUTES 58 SECONDS
EAST, 949.22FEET TO A POINT LYING ON THE SOUTHERLY LINE OF A WATER DRAINAGE
AGREEMENT, AS RECORDED IN O.R. BOOK 6159, PAGE 1936 AND O.R. BOOK 6983,PAGE
2192 OF SAID PUBLIC RECORDS; THENCE RUN ALONG SAID SOUTHERLY LINE THE
FOLLOWING COURSES; THENCE RUN SOUTH 51 DEGREES 03 MINUTES 02 SECONDS EAST,
300.99 FEET; THENCE RUN SOUTH 43 DEGREES 03 MINUTES 56 SECONDS EAST, 640.28
FEET; THENCE RUN SOUTH 45 DEGREES 32 MINUTES 44 SECONDS EAST, 333.01 FEET;
THENCE DEPARTING SAID SOUTHERLY LINE, RUN SOUTH 00 DEGREES 32 MINUTES 43
SECONDS EAST, 938.75FEET TO A POINT LYING ON THE NORTHERLY RIGHT OF WAY LINE
OF UNIVERSAL BOULEVARD, USI-SOUTH CAMPUS UNIT ONE, ACCORDING TO THE PLAT
THEREOF AS RECORDED IN PLAT BOOK 46, PAGES 13 THROUGH 16 OF SAID PUBLIC
RECORDS; SAID POINT ALSO LIES ON A NON-TANGENT CURVE, CONCAVE
SOUTHWESTERLY; THENCE RUN NORTHWESTERLY, ALONG SAID NORTHERLY RIGHT OF
WAY LINE AND SAID NON-TANGENT CURVE, HAVING A RADIUS OF 2864.58 FEET,
CENTRAL ANGLE OF 14 DEGREES 55 MINUTES 48 SECONDS, AN ARC LENGTH OF 746.44
FEET, A CHORD LENGTH OF 744.33FEET AND A CHORD BEARING OF NORTH 79 DEGREES
36 MINUTES 54 SECONDS WEST TO THE POINT OF BEGINNING.
As far as I can tell no other land transactions have occurred, so for the moment I think we should assume universal does not have that parcel until we see something more definitive.
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Yeah, I guess we wait now to see what happens in the foreclosure case, since the rest of the debt tied to those parcels hasn't been satisfied.
 
Random Opinion:
My personal timeline for the parks
2019: Hp coaster and Terminator replacement
2020: Ministry of Magic and Jp update
2021: Nintendo
 
Galaxy Defender said:
If both of these are true then JP is going to be a boring place for a while.:(
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Not entirely,

I would assume Raptor Encounter will get moved to the Lagoon facing Jurassic Park River Adventure, to where they may bring the Hollywood Raptors over to Orlando. Then you will also have Kong to tide over.

What makes me wonder, is when the arch at Jurassic may come down next to Hogsmeade, as that would make sense when you consider Jurassic World having a very different arch look.

From what I can see, so-far:

2019 - JPRA Renovations/Update, Hogsmeade Coaster, Bourne
2020 - Ministry, Jurassic Park Attraction

That leaves the door to 2021 being a minor year, and that perhaps what could be the major thing for the parks that year, is a port of Universal Spectacle.
 
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AlexanderMBush said:
Not entirely,

I would assume Raptor Encounter will get moved to the Lagoon facing Jurassic Park River Adventure, to where they may bring the Hollywood Raptors over to Orlando. Then you will also have Kong to tide over.

What makes me wonder, is when the arch at Jurassic may come down next to Hogsmeade, as that would make sense when you consider Jurassic World having a very different arch look.

From what I can see, so-far:

2019 - JPRA Renovations/Update, Hogsmeade Coaster, Bourne
2020 - Ministry, Jurassic Park Attraction

That leaves the door to 2021 being a minor year, and that perhaps what could be the major thing for the parks that year, is a port of Universal Spectacle.
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So you do believe that Jurassic Park will be rethemed as Jurassic World?
 
AlexanderMBush said:
Not entirely,

I would assume Raptor Encounter will get moved to the Lagoon facing Jurassic Park River Adventure, to where they may bring the Hollywood Raptors over to Orlando. Then you will also have Kong to tide over.

What makes me wonder, is when the arch at Jurassic may come down next to Hogsmeade, as that would make sense when you consider Jurassic World having a very different arch look.

From what I can see, so-far:

2019 - JPRA Renovations/Update, Hogsmeade Coaster, Bourne
2020 - Ministry, Jurassic Park Attraction

That leaves the door to 2021 being a minor year, and that perhaps what could be the major thing for the parks that year, is a port of Universal Spectacle.
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I don't think Universal would make 2021 a small year, when WDW is having a big year....
 
Galaxy Defender said:
So you do believe that Jurassic Park will be rethemed as Jurassic World?
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I think it makes sense, as it'd be Comcast's way to leave it's mark on the Jurassic franchise in the parks.

I see it happening for Beijing, and I see it here too.

LintemuthStudios said:
I don't think Universal would make 2021 a small year, when WDW is having a big year....
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Considering the possibility of Gate 3 opening in 2022, it may be the more proper time to have the northern parks prepare for the southern property.

Primarily, I think 2021 is infrastructure, with the only major addition I see happening being Universal Spectacle.
 
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I don't think Universal would make 2021 a small year, when WDW is having a big year....
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I believe each park will get in addition in 2021. Nothing is going to top Star Wars so I doubt Universal is going to try. Each attraction will be solid with the idea of building up the parks before the third dry park opens hopefully in late 2022 or 2023.
 
Galaxy Defender said:
So you do believe that Jurassic Park will be rethemed as Jurassic World?
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I’m not convinced Park is changing to World, but I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the aesthetics change from rustic to a more modern shiny look. Kinda matching the new film series without the full commitment.

Raptor Encounter is a good example, really straddling the line between the two different styles. And it even did it’s own thing with the yellow electric fence style. I like that IOA’s Jurassic Park exist on its own, not beholden to any canon.
 
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We know that universal filed plans for building warehouses on the northern part of the new property back in February, but they have made seemingly no effort towards getting those plans approved in the time since.

This got me thinking - what if they decided to go a different direction in laying out the southern property? From a transportation/logistical standpoint, it could make a lot of sense to build parking garages on that northern area where the warehouses were planned. Doing so would allow for a direct flow of traffic into the resort and garages from Sand Lake Rd and Kirkman Rd, which would likely be more efficient than any of the other options. Laying out the south site this way would also allow them to make more of the land that directly borders the treatment plant backstage areas rather than guest accessible areas. The major downside is that if Citywalk 2.0 is then also placed towards the north end, it will be a significant distance from at least some of the parks and/or hotels. Or they could make Citywalk 2.0 more centrally located and just have a really really long moving walkway to get there from the parking garages.

This is not a likely outcome, nor do we have any real reason to believe it will happen, but I am curious what everyone thinks of this idea.
 
Here’s an idea I have that’s kinda “out there”, but consider a Hyperloop demonstrator connecting the two campuses. The loops would circle underground at either campus and then connect with underground tunnels. The insane speed of the connection could be branded as “instant” (i.e. Star Trek tele-porter)...
 
In all seriousness, do you expect Universal/Comcast to buy even more land in order to connect the three (north, south, and Wet ‘N Wild)? As for a monorail connection, they could get rights to build in public rights of way, such as coming from Kirkman by Lockheed Martin.
 
peteralt said:
In all seriousness, do you expect Universal/Comcast to buy even more land in order to connect the three (north, south, and Wet ‘N Wild)? As for a monorail connection, they could get rights to build in public rights of way, such as coming from Kirkman by Lockheed Martin.
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Yes, infact, maybe someone can verify this, but I read part of the settlement included a right of first refusal for Universal on the land it did not purchase at this time from Stan.
 
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Here’s an idea I have that’s kinda “out there”, but consider a Hyperloop demonstrator connecting the two campuses. The loops would circle underground at either campus and then connect with underground tunnels. The insane speed of the connection could be branded as “instant” (i.e. Star Trek tele-porter)...
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Water level, buildings up above, the kind of soil, snowflakes scared in underground area's, this list goes on why this extremely expensive idea will never see the light of day.
I would have stretched, electric limousines as an option but the most realistic one is bus transportation.
 
Yes, that’s why I said it’s “out there”, but it’s not impossible. To achieve this, the tunnels would be cut through bedrock, which is below the water table (they just did this in Miami a few years ago with the Port tunnel, for example). Of course, the cost would be prohibitively expensive, but if Elon Musk has his way and he’s able to drastically reduce the cost of tunnel boring machines (a goal he has set for his Boring Company), it may be affordable one day.
tielo said:
Water level, buildings up above, the kind of soil, snowflakes scared in underground area's, this list goes on why this extremely expensive idea will never see the light of day.
I would have stretched, electric limousines as an option but the most realistic one is bus transportation.
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