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The Old KidZone Thread

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TylerDurden

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not sure why there's such a black and white definition of a family ride going on here--are you all saying you REALLY wouldn't want a trackless dark ride or highly immersive flume? Not a clone of Pirates or Mansion, not even the same ride systems, just something that, in general, can be experienced by everyone! This 'debate' is laughable.
 
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TylerDurden said:
not sure why there's such a black and white definition of a family ride going on here--are you all saying you REALLY wouldn't want a trackless dark ride or highly immersive flume? Not a clone of Pirates or Mansion, not even the same ride systems, just something that, in general, can be experienced by everyone! This 'debate' is laughable.
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Exactly. Saying something like, say, Antarctica would be bad for Universal because it isn't similar to what they've been building is just ridiculous.
 
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Conversation is conversation my friend.

And no thats not what we're saying. There was a mixup between people feeling like some were saying Uni should cross into the realm of Disney and be more like Disney. etc...But no I would love highly immersive trackless dark rides or flumes
 
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USO92 said:
Conversation is conversation my friend.:catfight:

And no thats not what we're saying. There was a mixup between people feeling like some were saying Uni should cross into the realm of Disney and be more like Disney. etc...But no I would love highly immersive trackless dark rides or flumes
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As would I. Be nice to see what UNIVERSAL can pull out of their hats if they went for something like An Antarctica or BigThunderMountainRailraod.

In My Opinion. IOA Should Have a Kidzzone section as well. Suess land is as close as IOA has to a kidzzone but it's not.
What I'm saying is if Kidzzone can withhold being opened all year why not make a land dedicated specifically for children just like kidzzone, in IOA instead of another ride? I'd like to see the kids having a play place in both parks.

 
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USO92 said:
But no I would love highly immersive trackless dark rides or flumes
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Then what's the issue? :lol:
 
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Oceaneering is really pushing Universal on there new trackless darkride. I've been told Universal Execs and Creative have already gotten a demo of the RV in a secret "local" location and are awaiting the opening of Antarctica to see its execution in a dark ride setting. I truly believe we will see this tech utilized at Universal Orlando within 3-4 years.
 
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Oceaneering is really pushing Universal on there new trackless darkride. I've been told Universal Execs and Creative have already gotten a demo of the RV in a secret "local" location and are awaiting the opening of Antarctica to see its execution in a dark ride setting. I truly believe we will see this tech utilized at Universal Orlando within 3-4 years.
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Now this is the type of "family" rides that Uni should try and make.
 
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hatetofly said:
Oceaneering is really pushing Universal on there new trackless darkride. I've been told Universal Execs and Creative have already gotten a demo of the RV in a secret "local" location and are awaiting the opening of Antarctica to see its execution in a dark ride setting. I truly believe we will see this tech utilized at Universal Orlando within 3-4 years.
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I sure hope so. The ride system is exactly what Universal needs to bring a true family ride into the fold.

Would love to see a Seuss ride use it, or another property for KidZone
 
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Now this is the type of "family" rides that Uni should try and make.
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*cough* Pooh's Honey Hunt *cough*

That's the modern PoTC and HM.
 
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*cough* Pooh's Honey Hunt *cough*

That's the modern PoTC and HM.
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Ok, I wasn't the one who was debating that point.
 
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Ok, I wasn't the one who was debating that point.
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I wasn't trying to call you out either. Just trying to point out how you can connect the dots from what Oceaneering is doing and what Disney has already done. No worries man :wave:
 
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That's sounds great (the trackless dark ride) ! But what would they use it for? It could be used for KidZone or Seuss (I think KidZone needs it more, though, because it doesn't have a true E-ticket).

But it seems everyone has a dislike for the small-scale Fantasyland-esque rides. Honestly, that's what Universal needs a few of. If you look at their attraction count, USF and IOA
are plentiful on E-tickets (each park has between 5-8) along with major D-tickets (like Dr. Doom and E.T.) as well. They need a few B, C, and D-tickets to balance out the pulse-pounding rides. Of course, they still need Universal's touch and innovation, but I don't see how a few smaller attractions would be bad, especially in the family area of the park (the direction it should head). No one is saying the rides should be plywood cutouts like at Disney, but a flat ride or a C-ticket dark ride (similar to Mr. Toad) could do wonders in giving kids more to do. Honestly, they should start to spread the family/kid rides across the park (Kang and Kodos in Springfield, maybe a small dark ride in Potter, etc), but like Fantasyland, KidZone (or whatever they decide to rename it) should be the primary place for families with young children to go.There can be thrill rides, but nothing too scary in the area (think Spider-Man or Popeye as a barometer). Something we can all agree on though is that it should become an immersive family-friendly enviroment rather than a Six Flags style kiddie area

Anyways, so what exactly is the planned or projected opening date for this expansion/renovation of KidZone? Are they going to do it in phases or are they going to literally close off the entire area for 2-3 years while they do it?
 
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jtsalien said:
I wasn't trying to call you out either. Just trying to point out how you can connect the dots from what Oceaneering is doing and what Disney has already done. No worries man :wave:
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It's all good, Just having a conversation. :smiley: :thumbs:
 
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TylerDurden said:
Then what's the issue? :lol:
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I never argued against them. I argued against Universal following Disney.

Uni is not Disney and that was my point. Heck if I said no more dark rides Id give you permission to publicly excommunicate me :lol:

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hatetofly said:
Oceaneering is really pushing Universal on there new trackless darkride. I've been told Universal Execs and Creative have already gotten a demo of the RV in a secret "local" location and are awaiting the opening of Antarctica to see its execution in a dark ride setting. I truly believe we will see this tech utilized at Universal Orlando within 3-4 years.
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This makes me excited. I could see a Lorax ride coming our way! Even though Id love to see some other area get a new ride. Suess feels crowded to me though i still like it.
 
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Excuse me while I LOL SO HARD.

Who gives a crap if it doesn't have a tangible story? Tangible stories are the most overrated part of today's themed attractions. And HM is "fine"? Just fine? Pirates and Mansion are still two of the STANDARD bearers for themed entertainment decades after they opened.

Saying Universal would be foolish to build a ride on the level of them is possibly the dumbest thing I have EVER read on a forum, which is saying something.
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Because Universal sells itself on being a theme park. Not an amusement park. A THEME park. What is the biggest difference between Disney and Universal rides other than the thrill level? The story. At Universal you are part of the story, you are flying with Harry, volunteer SCOOP reporters, going on Popeye's cruise, becoming a minion....at Disney you're just watching a story unfold 9 out of 10 times. e.g Pirates has no story, its just a montage. Universal prides itself on stories and the guest being part of them, take that away and you're just Six Flags with more money.

Depends which level you are looking at. Thrill? Diversity? You expect that thing at Disney. If you opened an omnimover at Universal you'd be left expecting more. Haunted Mansion was taking the ride system from Adventure Thru Inner Space and changing the theme. It also suits Disney well. Disney has 5 omnimover attractions in Florida alone.

If you're talking legacy, you can't build something that's instantly a legacy.

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Um... Haunted Mansion and Pirates of the Caribbean are "uncreative"? What in the... Those two rides have stood the test of time and are still regarded as two of the best rides in existence. It's just incredible that you would say such a thing. Maybe you should head out to Disneyland and ride their twice as long and far more intimate Pirates of the Caribbean. Unless you've already ridden it, then I don't know what else to say. I just cannot see anyone calling those two attractions "uncreative". It's just blasphemous to be honest.

And Pirates of the Caribbean has no tangible story? Have you ridden Forbidden Journey? I love FJ to death, but it really lacks in the "story department". A tangible story is honestly not necessary in helping make an attraction great.

I mean, I can see where you're coming from. The ride systems ARE dated for those two attractions, but they are certainly not uncreative by any means.
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Pirates of the Caribbean is a stock boat adventure. It has about as much story as Living with the Land. I don't see how a boat adventure through random dioramas is creative. It certainly skipped out on the coherency department. I most ride it to get some Air Conditioning.

HPFJ has major plot issues. I will agree with that. But it tries. One might say that it almost tries TOO hard and that's the problem with it. That's still better than not trying. And no story is not the Universal Way.

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Oh no. I got it. But the rest was as ridiculous as the first paragraph.

Saying that Universal would be dumb to build those kind of rides is like saying Disney would be dumb to build a ride like Spider-man or Forbidden Journey. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
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That again depends on "kind" of rides. I have no problem with building family rides as long as they're absolutely nothing like an omnimover or a do nothing boat ride. I think the 5 we have in Florida meets the quota.

USO92 said:
Conversation is conversation my friend.

And no thats not what we're saying. There was a mixup between people feeling like some were saying Uni should cross into the realm of Disney and be more like Disney. etc...But no I would love highly immersive trackless dark rides or flumes
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I'll take either. As long as some work and Creative spin is put on it. I trust UC to not mess up what they've been doing and to make their rides interesting.

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As would I. Be nice to see what UNIVERSAL can pull out of their hats if they went for something like An Antarctica or BigThunderMountainRailraod.

In My Opinion. IOA Should Have a Kidzzone section as well. Suess land is as close as IOA has to a kidzzone but it's not.
What I'm saying is if Kidzzone can withhold being opened all year why not make a land dedicated specifically for children just like kidzzone, in IOA instead of another ride? I'd like to see the kids having a play place in both parks.

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IoA has Seuss, Camp Jurassic (which as a 20 year old, I still like), and Me Ship the Olive. If we exclude the last one because its a PoS, that's still more than USF. The best part about Seuss is it has a common theme and isn't just a mashup of different kid-centric brands. I really hope that when they redo Kidzone they retitle it as something else, move the ET entrance to Hollywood, bulldoze Animal Actors, and unite the land with some common theme or property. Its really absurd that the rest of the park can be generic areas like NY, SF, Production Central, World Fair, and then they cheap out on a theme and just call it Kidzone.
 
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I wouldn't mind seeing UOR build a couple of family rides. I see Cat in the Hat mentioned, but my wife does not like spinning rides and will not ride that one (at least she will deal with MIB as it has a lot more going for it and the spinning is not as often). We typically find the line for the High in the Sky Trolly too long to justify waiting for such a short ride...so, to me, it is a shame we spend such little time in Suess' Landings.

My daughter has fun in Kidzone (I think my wife enjoys the ball zone area more than my daughter) but it really is her having fun without us and it is not a good use of family time to me.

Now I know we are not like most, but the reason I waited to go to UOR after my daughter's birth is that I know she loves thrill rides. We waited until she hit 48 inches in height for I do not think it would have been too fun visiting when she could not go on as many rides. She was 6 for her first visit and we ended up riding RoTM three times is a row...I was glad we had that and FJ...that first visit, the wife and I took turns riding Hulk (she hated us doing child swap at HRRR), anyway, at hulk, she jumps in one of the test seats and starts arguing w/ a team member that she fits in the seat and she should be allowed to ride...at least now she only argues with me there (as we always have to go see how much further she needs to go before she can ride.

My wife did DC that first visit, I have been on DD, but have yet to do DC as I really would prefer to spend time with the family and not split up too often to ride attractions solo.

Oh and she still gets to take one of us on the flyers in IOA. I think it is up 52 inches or so...the next thing she has to look forward to is DOOM, but I think she then loses the flyers...maybe I should meet up with some of you all some day, loan out my daughter in Jerasic Park while the wife and I run over to DC:smiley:
 
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aheying7 said:
Barney is where Scooby should go.
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Yeah! Whether its Scooby Doo or something else, that is where a new ride should go.

I agree with the few who say Universal doesn't need to be Disney. As long as they are bringing in big crowds and selling a lot of merchandise, they can care less about the mouse. Now would Universal want some things that Disney has? Yeah I mean who wouldn't want household name theme park rides. Who wouldn't want those immersive water parks. However, Universal, and everyone else for that matter, can't copy what Disney has. The last thing Universal needs to be known as is a Disney knock-off. If Universal ever brings in an onnimover, its going to have a twist.
 
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Hate to go off topic, but JT you got it all wrong. OU doesn't hate Disney. We just happen to be one of the few who sees their flaws. After all WDW isn't perfect. Heck no theme park is perfect.

NOW LET'S GET :focus:
 
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Hate to go off topic, but JT you got it all wrong. OU doesn't hate Disney. We just happen to be one of the few who sees their flaws. After all WDW isn't perfect. Heck no theme park is perfect.
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I never said it did. But if you think either of those two attractions are "flaws", you don't understand what a theme park is.
 
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I never said it did. But if you think either of those two attractions are "flaws", you don't understand what a theme park is.
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If you're talking about PotC and HM, I agree 100%.
 
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