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That's on universal legal then I guess. Why write the contract allowing them to do that?
Both sides have legal teams to review these contracts. I’ve never seen the exact contracts that IPs sign but standard licensing contracts will determine the contract void if someone is found to be in violation of its agreements.

These contracts could have leaks fall under that category where Universal was responsible for preventing them. Universal didn’t hold up their end of the deal, IP can pull out without penalty.
 
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Well, some answers from Legacy on the Discord:

"Q": May 16th 9:00am EST mark my words
A: They can’t announce that early for a shared house

Q (regarding TLoU): It’s the IP that is basically set in stone
A: I’m of the mindset they’re all set in stone at this point, unless a production company tries to do an RKO out of nowhere.

Q: So everything is basically locked in at this point
A: I believe so.

Q: So Monsters actually might not be the one announced first?
A: If what I’m hearing is accurate…

I feel like most announcements drop at 12n ET.

HHN is an odd thing to me. We hear how houses are planned out a year or more in advance. That construction starts many months in advance. But then we also hear that things fall through last minute and IP's are fluid. If they plan this stuff that far out, how are contracts not signed and locked down? I don't see how "the rightsholders are watching and if it gets out it'll fall through" would ever happen.

Or is this just all smoke and mirrors and ip's are never in danger of falling though? And we are just fed crap to throw us off? I can definitely see fake ip's being leaked and fake stories about IP's being dropped because they were leaked. That makes sense in a lot of ways. But I can't see how a signed IP would be dropped or how they'd start building a maze for an IP that wasn't signed.

There are so many moving parts. Merchandise falls under both the retail and marketing departments. House construction is overseen by Creative. I work in a building that has 45 employees and it's so easy to miscommunicate and misunderstand to the point of blowing it big time.

I think someone said it a few pages back, but it's impossible to keep a secret if there 3 or more people in a room.

That's on universal legal then I guess. Why write the contract allowing them to do that?

I've never seen a contract that doesn't have out clauses. I guarantee the rights holders wouldn't sign a contract without having the ability to pull out for cause, regardless of Universal's reputation.
 
These contracts could have leaks fall under that category where Universal was responsible for preventing them. Universal didn’t hold up their end of the deal, IP can pull out without penalty.

Is the problem the leaks? Or is the problem (in the IP holder’s eyes) people who were “leaked to” sharing the info widely on the internet?

If my neighbor tells me what he’s working on, no one will know. If I then share it publicly and formally on forums, Twitter, discord, whatever, it seems that THAT would be the thing that could doom an IP, because now hundreds (thousands?) of people know.
 
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Is the problem the leaks? Or is the problem (in the IP holder’s eyes) people who were “leaked to” sharing the info widely on the internet?

If my neighbor tells me what he’s working on, no one will know. If I then share it publicly and formally on forums, Twitter, discord, whatever, it seems that THAT would be the thing that could doom an IP, because now hundreds (thousands?) of people know.
The problem with leaks isn’t speculating about the house. The problem is when more important things about the houses are leaked like concept maps, pictures, detailed plans…
 
The problem with leaks isn’t speculating about the house. The problem is when more important things about the houses are leaked like concept maps, pictures, detailed plans…
This.

I have, in the distant past, seen elements of unannounced houses I wasn’t authorized to see. I never actually discuss those things because THOSE are the leaks that can result in a contract dissolving.
 
That's why it's odd. If I'm Universal, why would I start building a house if the contract isn't signed and these decisions made already? Even the merch thing. Why wasn't that decided long before? But why would Universal put themselves in a situation where the wrong person seeing the plans and posting them could cost them whatever they have invested in construction? Or a rightholder being a drama queen and and have the ability to pull out over props. I'm sure theres super IP's that they need to give more control over to to get the deal signed, but, at this point, HHN is a monster. They have options.

Idk. Not a big deal in the end. I'm just trying to understand the situation better. Maybe HHN is a different animal. Could you imagine that Epic being under construction at the state it is now and Nintendo just pulling out?
Thing is, in the cases where the IP gets pulled after the houses start construction, the contracts usually *have* been finalized, it's just that the rights holders have alleged some kind of breach of contract or something external forced them to pull it.

E.g. scream got pulled because it was based on the original film rather than the TV series like Miramax supposedly wanted, and Evil Dead got pulled because the movie got pushed back and New Line didn't want Universal to spoil the entire film.
 
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That's why it's odd. If I'm Universal, why would I start building a house if the contract isn't signed and these decisions made already? Even the merch thing. Why wasn't that decided long before? But why would Universal put themselves in a situation where the wrong person seeing the plans and posting them could cost them whatever they have invested in construction? Or a rightholder being a drama queen and and have the ability to pull out over props. I'm sure theres super IP's that they need to give more control over to to get the deal signed, but, at this point, HHN is a monster. They have options.

Idk. Not a big deal in the end. I'm just trying to understand the situation better. Maybe HHN is a different animal. Could you imagine that Epic being under construction at the state it is now and Nintendo just pulling out?
I could write a book on this. I don't work in legal, but we'll call it legal adjacent and I have a fair amount of insight here, especially because I've worked on dozens of very secret projects with high profile names and reviewed hundreds of legal contracts.

Contracts are typically years in the making. Some are easy, and some are hard, but they require a lot of pleasantries, back and forth, and negotiating. Even a tiny change to contract language requires all parties to review them, and it's not just lawyers. It could be dozens of parties on both sides having to review a change. That means a few sentences can take weeks while it gets through email or Adobe Sign or whatever, and you have to repeat this *every time you make a change*. Oftentimes, no one intends for a contract to take forever, but you simply find yourself there, and work proceeds in the background on good faith while the lawyers hammer it out because you can't always wait for the lawyers to choose "must" to "shall". Sometimes, this doesn't work out very well if people make assumptions, like Universal Hollywood producing merch before the ink was dry, so that's why having a good relationship with your rightsholder is so critical. People always talk about how being connected is so important, and this especially matters in contracts because the rightsholder is trusting someone else with their property.

That really goes back to your comment about rightsholders being drama queens. They typically aren't. Imagine for a second that you manage an IP. That IP might be something important and valuable. It might be central to your revenue stream. Maybe you built it from the ground up. You want the tone to be authentic. You want the messaging to be right. You want the timing to be right. You want the news cycle to be right. Maybe the property hasn't been relevant in a long time and this is a chance to make it popular again. And then the third party leaks your surprise all over the news in an unfinished state (like the FNAF trailer). Or they build a giant Mindflayer out of paper towels. You're devastated. Trust is broken. You may suffer mockery or revenue impact. Why would you trust that company again? You yank the contract to send a message because leaks remove your ability to control things. It's like reading a synopsis of a TV show or movie before it comes out. Without context, you can reduce Batman to "a vigilante in a bat costume beats up criminals" and that doesn't account for the tone, music, or cinematography, and maybe a few people (unfairly) decide that's not their cup of tea. No one sets out to make something awful (for the most part) and it's fair to want something to be judged by the final product, not what people read third hand on a forum. There's just a lot of reasons why a rightsholder would be frustrated if someone licensing their property doesn't treat it with respect.

I'm not criticizing anyone here for leaking anything (I'm here, aren't I?), because I think the people here are very aware of all this, but it's fair to say that no one should be surprised if leaks annoy the rightsholder.
 
I could write a book on this. I don't work in legal, but we'll call it legal adjacent and I have a fair amount of insight here, especially because I've worked on dozens of very secret projects with high profile names and reviewed hundreds of legal contracts.

Contracts are typically years in the making. Some are easy, and some are hard, but they require a lot of pleasantries, back and forth, and negotiating. Even a tiny change to contract language requires all parties to review them, and it's not just lawyers. It could be dozens of parties on both sides having to review a change. That means a few sentences can take weeks while it gets through email or Adobe Sign or whatever, and you have to repeat this *every time you make a change*. Oftentimes, no one intends for a contract to take forever, but you simply find yourself there, and work proceeds in the background on good faith while the lawyers hammer it out because you can't always wait for the lawyers to choose "must" to "shall". Sometimes, this doesn't work out very well if people make assumptions, like Universal Hollywood producing merch before the ink was dry, so that's why having a good relationship with your rightsholder is so critical. People always talk about how being connected is so important, and this especially matters in contracts because the rightsholder is trusting someone else with their property.

That really goes back to your comment about rightsholders being drama queens. They typically aren't. Imagine for a second that you manage an IP. That IP might be something important and valuable. It might be central to your revenue stream. Maybe you built it from the ground up. You want the tone to be authentic. You want the messaging to be right. You want the timing to be right. You want the news cycle to be right. Maybe the property hasn't been relevant in a long time and this is a chance to make it popular again. And then the third party leaks your surprise all over the news in an unfinished state (like the FNAF trailer). Or they build a giant Mindflayer out of paper towels. You're devastated. Trust is broken. You may suffer mockery or revenue impact. Why would you trust that company again? You yank the contract to send a message because leaks remove your ability to control things. It's like reading a synopsis of a TV show or movie before it comes out. Without context, you can reduce Batman to "a vigilante in a bat costume beats up criminals" and that doesn't account for the tone, music, or cinematography, and maybe a few people (unfairly) decide that's not their cup of tea. No one sets out to make something awful (for the most part) and it's fair to want something to be judged by the final product, not what people read third hand on a forum. There's just a lot of reasons why a rightsholder would be frustrated if someone licensing their property doesn't treat it with respect.

I'm not criticizing anyone here for leaking anything (I'm here, aren't I?), because I think the people here are very aware of all this, but it's fair to say that no one should be surprised if leaks annoy the rightsholder.
Yes to this!
 
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Speaking of the FNaF leak, just watched that trailer and I'm personally not excited for that to be a house. I see how they can build a house around it but that recent video doesn't get me excited for an IP spot to be taken by FNaF, not to mention, this movie comes out the 27th of October and cant imagine them spoiling the movie for 2 months before its release. My guess would be if they have this coming to HHN, it would be in the form of a scare zone.
 
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